@Brochette
Noone wants UPDATED R12-14 gear from start, that would stay shit until after BWL. We want only updated R10 from start since old(shit) R10 is utterly bad, noone will go for it until it's updated and battleground activity will suffer so much, as well as class variety in those since half classes have zero use from old blue sets.. And imo updated R10 is balanced with MC gear, like, you know it yourself for hunters for example, T1 is better then updated R10, not only for PvE but for PvP too and it's the same for some other classes.
@Cr0wL0ck
Dude you make no sense at all apart from being blizzlike police.
First of all, noone wants that 3rd set and R14 weapons updated, did you even read my comment or just merely glanced over it. Epic set and weapons should stay bad through MC and be updated at some point between BWL and AQ as planned, after BWL gets farmed for a few months.
All we want is updated R10 sets since they are on par with MC gear and for many classes even that updated set is worse then T1 but it's not useless, so you will be using a mix of PvP and PvE gear. The only thing that you are eliminating is TOTALLY USELESS R10 set for half classes and therefore encouraging players of those classes to actually queue up for BGs and give them an opportunity to get some decent gear via PvP, not just exclusively via PvE. Do you think it would be fun if you played a paladin and be forced to PvP in dungeon cloth items since R10 has full warrior stats?
They made a good choice by deciding to add new R14 weapons before AQ, unlike blizzlike before Naxxramas, since they become irrelevant at that point due to Femur and similar items, which are much easier to obtain. The only thing they should introduce along with that change is to allow people who have R14 as their "highest rank" to buy those new weapons when they get added. It makes no sense that if someone who goes through the torture of ranking during MC era doesn't get to buy that weapon, but if someone who do the exact same thing during late BWL or AQ era, he gets to acquire them. If they keep it blizzlike literally no caster will go for R14 before AQ if they have any brains, but then again why the fuck would any of them play 15 hours a day for 3 months to reach R14 when they can get an equal weapon in Femur by raiding 5h a week. Do you see how this doesn't make any common sense?
Also, I don't see a reason why D1 shouldn't be in game from start (???), it's worse then even BiS pre-raid, let alone any raid or PvP gear, but it gives an extra initiative to do dungeons and allows us to get at least basic PvP gear with some stats on.
Honestly, unless someone likes to act blizzlike police, dunno how you can be against these suggestions, they make perfect sense and game gets maximally balanced for both PvP and PvE players. We are all well over "blizzlike experience" since we've all been there and done that, and we all know blizzlike often sucks. What most people want from private servers at this stage of their existence is the best possible version of the game we all love.
Both are wrong actually, ranking system came in 1.4, later patches upgraded already existing r14 weapons and added new ones. The needed history is in the announcement message:
