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Showcase: Buff/Debuff Stacking and Changelog 21.09.2014 - 06.10.2014

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Chero

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Dear Players,

today we are able to present you our implementation of the Buff and Debuff stacking mechanics. Everything from Self Buffs, Class Group Buffs, Auras, Totems, Elixirs, Scrolls, Jujus, Beers, Rums to miscellaneous buffs such as Winterfell Firewater will be handled correctly. We feel that this is yet another feature that is necessary to deliver an experience as authentic as possible on Kronos.


[video=youtube;F-ZQSxLhYgg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ZQSxLhYgg[/video]

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The scroll stacking is something that I've gotten used to on other servers. I forgot you couldn't do that on retail.

Well done.
 
Didn't see a couple buff stacking exceptions that are sometimes overlooked mentioned so I'll mention them in case they don't work yet.
Gordok green grog and keeg's Stout Beatdown should stack with each other despite both being drinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THUahuz5nyM

spirit of zanza shouldn't stack with blasted lands stamina/spirit, but with all other stamina and spirit buffs
http://web.archive.org/web/20081110215301/http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t6736-healer_raid_buffs/
“Spirit of Zanza - 50 Spirit 50 stam (doesn't stack with Gizzard Gum)”
http://web.archive.org/web/20071114082630/http://thottbot.com/i20079 comments
 
Great job but i didn't see how Blasted Lands buffs interact with other consumables, Quite interested in that.
 
Showing all sorts of combinations would have blown up this video quite alot :)

I tested elixir of fortitude alongside with power word. Works as intended. Going to try out with Zanza and DM drinks when I get home today.
 
Interested in these interactions:

Mageblood Elixir VS Divine Spirit priest buff VS Crystal Force buff from Un'goro VS Gizzard Gum (BL 25 spi buff) VS Generic 12 Spirit well fed buff
Elixir of greater intellect VS Arcane Intellect mage buff VS Cerebral Cortex Compound (BL 25 int buff) VS Juju Guile (Winterspring 30 Int buff)
Elixir of fortitude VS Fortitude priest buff VS Lung Juice Cocktail (BL 25 sta buff) VS Generic well fed buff

Remarks: Juju shouldn't stack with mage buff
 
Your spirit example: All of them stack except Crystal Force. Mageblood stacks because it's a whole different elixir (granting mp/5) a spirit elixir like sage's would not stack. Gizzard Gum stacks with Divine spirit because it's a "special" buff and the Well Fed stacks cause Food Buff category.

About int: If you got Arcane Intellect (Mage Buff) you can only stack Cerebral Cortex Compound with it (because "special" category). Juju and the elixir does not stack with AI.

stamina: all of these stack ! Elixir of Fortitude stacks because it grants direct HP and not "stamina", Lung Juice is "special" category again and well fed stacks on top of it as well.

just tested on testserver, should all be blizz-like.
 
Kronoez said:
Your spirit example: All of them stack except Crystal Force. Mageblood stacks because it's a whole different elixir (granting mp/5) a spirit elixir like sage's would not stack. Gizzard Gum stacks with Divine spirit because it's a "special" buff and the Well Fed stacks cause Food Buff category.

About int: If you got Arcane Intellect (Mage Buff) you can only stack Cerebral Cortex Compound with it (because "special" category). Juju and the elixir does not stack with AI.

stamina: all of these stack ! Elixir of Fortitude stacks because it grants direct HP and not "stamina", Lung Juice is "special" category again and well fed stacks on top of it as well.

just tested on testserver, should all be blizz-like.
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Huge thanks !
 
Dhorn said:
Didn't see a couple buff stacking exceptions that are sometimes overlooked mentioned so I'll mention them in case they don't work yet.
Gordok green grog and keeg's Stout Beatdown should stack with each other despite both being drinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THUahuz5nyM

spirit of zanza shouldn't stack with blasted lands stamina/spirit, but with all other stamina and spirit buffs
http://web.archive.org/web/20081110215301/http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t6736-healer_raid_buffs/
“Spirit of Zanza - 50 Spirit 50 stam (doesn't stack with Gizzard Gum)”
http://web.archive.org/web/20071114082630/http://thottbot.com/i20079 comments
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Interesting Video regarding the Beers, because Gordok Green Grog is not supposed to stack with Rumsey Rum Black Label.

If you have Spirit of Zanza already, you can not use the Lung Juice Cocktail (BL stamina buff) this works already, the Gizzard Gum however, slipped through somehow :biggrin: will be fixed asap.
 
I didn't manage to find info on Darkmoon Faire avaliability on launch.
On retail it was released on 1.6 patch at the same time as BWL.

In the Darkmoon Faire there's NPC that provides Sayge Fortunes buffs.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Sayge's_Fortunes
How are those treated? Are they allowed to be brought into instances?
My memory is vague but i think they were in vanilla.
 
yep, darkmoon buffs can be brought into raids. They stack with everything else. (considered a "World Buff")

We have not talked about Darkmoon Faire specifically, so i can't say 100% whether or not it will be available from the beginning. My personal opinion is to patch it in a little later, but we have yet to talk about this specific case.
 
Thank you for these updates. It's very nice to see the progress in a form of a progress bar and in specific videos. Also the ETA of "coming this fall", gives us all somethimes great to look forward to. Kornos looks VERY promising!

You guys definitely feed our hunger with these updates :)
 
I just want to point out. These videos does not show what was RECENTLY fixed but rather what is ALREADY working. For example, stacking system is fixed for more than a half a year.
 
Some issues were already fixed before, some are new.
Buffstacking was old, debuff stacking was new.
 
wasn't food, buffs and scrolls first linked together to overwrite each others in 2.4.3 as well as resulting in guardian and battle elixirs ?
 
the elixir stacking changes came with patch 2.1 (Black temple patch).

From that moment on, all elixirs where categorized into Battle or Guardian Elixirs, and from there you could either use 1 Guardian + 1 Battle elixir at the same time OR 1 Flask instead.

Further more, Beers stopped stacking with a Buff-Food.

Scrolls however, never stacked with a stronger elixir buff or a class buff that gives the same stat. (i.e. scroll of intellect doesn't stack with Arcane Intellect. Scroll of strength, doesnt stack with Juju Power (strongest Strength "elixir").
 
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the title says buff/debuff but there are no debuff example's except slow in the video and although you see rejuvenation not being applyable on lower rank we don't see if is the rank it looks at or the strength of the buff.

lets say i gain 100+ spell power and apply a hot, will i be able to overwrite it right away with another hot of the same or higher rank if the heal amount is lower ?

can a lower ranked or lower buffed in the sense of spell power debuff/curse be overwritten by a less buffed of the same rank or lower rank spell ?
 
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