ever heard of minmaxing? if its bis people will go and get it - no matter what.
devilsaur bis most of the game? thats new to me. edgemasters are very underwhelming btw
You're not making any sense by quoting what I wrote and defining min maxing.
- Nobody is saying people don't or shouldn't do it.
- You are saying that it's not okay to get 2 pre-AQ BiS pieces (which is debatable) for the (supposedly) moderate effort of PvP.
- I am saying that there are certain pieces you can get much more easily (you don't even need to be level 60), that are BiS for at least as long or BiS forever, which invalidates the argument that the 2 piece PvP "BiS" is too easy.
Go ahead and show me what you can get for a Warrior that is better than 2/2 Devilsaur until AQ. Inb4 you link Titanic Leggings.
Show me the same for a feral druid.
This is the last time I do your numbers for you, but here you go. Rogue T2 vs Devilsaur:
Bloodfang Pants
Total AP from Str and Agi: 48
Total crit including agility: 2.275%
Bloodfang Gloves
Total AP from Str and Agi: 39
Total crit including agility: 0.69%
Combined numbers: 87 AP, 2.96% Crit, 0% Hit
VS
Devilsaur Leggings
Total AP: 46
Total Crit: 1%
Total Hit: 1% (set bonus)
Devilsaur Gauntlets
Total AP: 28
Total Crit: 1%
Total Hit: 1% (set bonus)
Combined numbers: 74 AP, 2% Crit, 2% Hit
Tradeoff: 13 AP and 0.96% Crit for 2% hit. For a combat rogue who gets the largest chunk of his dps from white melee swings, extra hit is more valuable than the tradeoff, especially when you take into account that at BWL gear levels + consumables Rogues will be crit capped.
In the same vein, for fury warriors also getting the greatest portion of their dps from white swings, yes indeed, Edgemaster's providing almost complete glancing penalty reduction for orcs and humans using appropriate weapons, and slightly more than 3% hit + a sizeable reduction in glancing penalty for other races / not using weapons buffed by racials, is very underwhelming.
I was reviewing this thread and just realized that one of my posts is flagged as "not yet approved by a moderator". I don't see why that would be the case, as far as I can tell there's nothing inappropriate therein.
The PvP timeline changes did not make it into the announcement, as we wanted a little more time to discuss it (there's been a lot of things on our plate in preparation for the release and we didn't want to make any rushed call). You should expect and update within the next 3 weeks.
Recent update told us nothing new. Bump.
I'll donate when I see a real official response regarding these issues
People are getting perdition blade, onslaught, choker and we are stuck with crap pvp sets to ...make pve... more challenging...
What are you smoking kronos?
Quit it already and release proper pvp sets before horde reach 1hour queues.
I strongly disagree. I’m a huge fan of the general principle that access to certain items should be restricted in order to make content more difficult. I’m such a huge fan of the principle that I think not only should access to pvp items be restricted to make pve harder, but also access to pve items should be restricted to make pvp more challenging. While it’s debatable if access to the updated rare pvp set has any impact on raid difficulty, it’s very clear that aq40 and especially naxx items have a very negative impact on battlegrounds and make pvp much simpler. That people think the former is a bigger problem than the latter just shows people have no sense of proportion.
So in the spirit of making content more difficult, let's prevent people from using naxx and AQ40 items in battlegrounds. I don’t think mc and bwl items are a huge problem, but for the sake of consistency, I’d be ok if all raid items were banned in battlegrounds.
The PvP timeline changes did not make it into the announcement, as we wanted a little more time to discuss it (there's been a lot of things on our plate in preparation for the release and we didn't want to make any rushed call). You should expect and update within the next 3 weeks.