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Why is it launching too soon?

They won't and they shouldn't delay. First of all announcement was already made. Changing it would make them look really bad and unrelaiable. Second of all this tactic as 'close the gates and work until perfection' is not good, as in time, Kronos would become nothing but a joke, just like Corecraft is now.

And as a maker of something so complex like vanilla server you could always delay, there always would be something that could be improved, fixed better, polished more. And then you suddenly wake up in year 2020 and without playerbase.
 
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If you pay attention to the current trends in MMO development you'll see that more and more studios are actually releasing games in beta stage for players to test and help fix.

This way the player has a real shot at being an architect of his favorite game AND the studio is collecting money and free testing time to be able to release a more polished product with limited budget.

These principles should work well for Kronos. It's not like there are others servers to play on currently if you want quality. Nos people are starting to wake up to reality and there are no other "quality" servers apart from those two.

Fix enough issues so that the classes feel complete and the leveling is as enjoyable as possible and iron out the remaining details while you/we go along.

The server already has a fantastic platform for bugfixing with twinhead bugtracker; this alone provides the needed assurance to players that issues will/are getting fixed in a timely manner.

I see no purpose in releasing a 100% complete product. 80/20 rule, you spend 80% of your time polishing the remaining 20% of your project.
 
I don't agree with you Eltar, you are exaggerating. There is no way that this server will be ready in 8 days. As far as I could see testing here on Kronos was a bit chaotic and unorganised. Nostalrius did one good thing because they had closed testing sessions which were time limited so players were forced to be there for testing (badly, some testing sessions were short but their original plan was good and they rushed with their server's release but that's another topic).

I have one suggestion that would take some time but the blizzlike resultes would be there for certian. It's simple zone by zone testing where we would have for each zone testing session limited by time.

That would be good because it would give us slow but in-depth research what is bugged and what should be fixed (broken quests, quests that work but should be polished, add missing quests, regular quests, class quests, escort quests, elite and group quests, mobs (+ rare (elite) mobs (there are more then 300 rare mobs in wow I think) & their intersting scripts that we all love, like Swiftmane running through Barrens with high running speed, Sludge Beast dropping two green items, Leprithus appearing only at night, Takk the Leaper with supersonic chasing speed, Humar the Pridelord spawning those savannah matriarchs and cubs when you slain Humar the Pridelord etc...) and all their immunites, ressistances, reputation, aggro range, hp & mana, spells and abilites and when do they cast them and how do they cast them, when they are low on health to run for aid, armor, equipment, min & max damage, attack power, attack speed, loot table, drop rates, their buffes and debuffes, their interruption spells, their positioning, their patrol route if they are moving, their gossips etc...) Plus we would check all racial & class spells and talents, game mechanics (pathfinding really needs polishing, one of rare good sides of Nostalrius and I am not ambassador of any private server, I am just tellin' that those buggs which your competitor fixed, should be fixed here too), instances that are in those zones that are being tested, quests for that instances etc, events (Elemental Invasion, Gurubashi Arena) chests, food crates and water barrels (thier loot and respawn time, their respawn locations) etc... and add as many details as you can because we all know that details are those little things that were making us happy when were playing during old retail days :)

For example you make 1st session just for starting zones 1-10 level:
Elwynn Forest, Dun Morogh, Teldrassil, Durotar, Mulgore, Trisfal Glades

After everything is tested and players report bugs and you fix them, then you release next 2nd session for zones that are in range 10-20/25/27 level:
Darkshore, Loch Modan, Silverpine Forest, Westfall, Barrens, Redrige Mountains, Stonetalon Mountains

Again after everything is tested and players report bugs and you fix them, then you release next 3th session for zones that are in range 18-35 level:
Ashenvale, Duskwood, Hillsbrad Foothills, Wetlands, Thousand Needles

And you repeat this process until you check and fix all other zones.

This advice would mean that release date should be delayed. Deal with it just as CoreCraft did. And no, it is not true that they will release it in next 10 years or that they will lose their hype or their playerbase, because we all know that many of us here, and not just from Kronos but from all other private wow servers too, are patiently waiting for some server that will appear and that will blow away all these half-fixed projects that have been released until this day to the junkyard of wow private server's history.
 
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I don't agree with you Eltar, you are exaggerating. There is no way that this server will be ready in 8 days. As far as I could see testing here on Kronos was a bit chaotic and unorganised. Nostalrius did one good thing because they had closed testing sessions which were time limited so players were forced to be there for testing (badly, some testing sessions were short but their original plan was good and they rushed with their server's release but that's another topic).

I have one suggestion that would take some time but the blizzlike resultes would be there for certian. It's simple zone by zone testing where we would have for each zone testing session limited by time.

That would be good because it would give us slow but in-depth research what is bugged and what should be fixed (broken quests, quests that work but should be polished, add missing quests, regular quests, class quests, escort quests, elite and group quests, mobs (+ rare (elite) mobs (there are more then 300 rare mobs in wow I think) & their intersting scripts that we all love, like Swiftmane running through Barrens with high running speed, Sludge Beast dropping two green items, Leprithus appearing only at night, Takk the Leaper with supersonic chasing speed, Humar the Pridelord spawning those savannah matriarchs and cubs when you slain Humar the Pridelord etc...) and all their immunites, ressistances, reputation, aggro range, hp & mana, spells and abilites and when do they cast them and how do they cast them, when they are low on health to run for aid, armor, equipment, min & max damage, attack power, attack speed, loot table, drop rates, their buffes and debuffes, their interruption spells, their positioning, their patrol route if they are moving, their gossips etc...) Plus we would check all racial & class spells and talents, game mechanics (pathfinding really needs polishing, one of rare good sides of Nostalrius and I am not ambassador of any private server, I am just tellin' that those buggs which your competitor fixed, should be fixed here too), instances that are in those zones that are being tested, quests for that instances etc, events (Elemental Invasion, Gurubashi Arena) chests, food crates and water barrels (thier loot and respawn time, their respawn locations) etc... and add as many details as you can because we all know that details are those little things that were making us happy when were playing during old retail days :)

For example you make 1st session just for starting zones 1-10 level:
Elwynn Forest, Dun Morogh, Teldrassil, Durotar, Mulgore, Trisfal Glades

After everything is tested and players report bugs and you fix them, then you release next 2nd session for zones that are in range 10-20/25/27 level:
Darkshore, Loch Modan, Silverpine Forest, Westfall, Barrens, Redrige Mountains, Stonetalon Mountains

Again after everything is tested and players report bugs and you fix them, then you release next 3th session for zones that are in range 18-35 level:
Ashenvale, Duskwood, Hillsbrad Foothills, Wetlands, Thousand Needles

And you repeat this process until you check and fix all other zones.

This advice would mean that release date should be delayed. Deal with it just as CoreCraft did. And no, it is not true that they will release it in next 10 years or that they will lose their hype or their playerbase, because we all know that many of us here, and not just from Kronos but from all other private wow servers too, are patiently waiting for some server that will appear and that will blow away all these half-fixed projects that have been released until this day to the junkyard of wow private server's history.

I don't see another delay happening, but both sides of this discussion are right to some degree.

I've been playing on nost for some time now and it's not too bad, but also not that good, especially considering the preliminary hype. The core is definitely playable, gamebreaking bugs are rare, playerbase is massive and support is working. For me the minor things, like bugging mobs, mobs without abilities, displaced mining veins etc damage the feeling, at least when encountered throughout all stages... so it's not the case of a minor bug here and there, or perhaps a bigger one, but that bugs are present almost everywhere to some degree, which in return feels messy.

So i conclude that i would like Kronos to be much better and at least not worse - which i don't see happening. Egoistically and for the sake of it's developer's hard work.

With that said, i can at least guarantee, that in BFD damage values are off for almost all mobs and some other elites on the world map as well.
 
I agree with Eltar completely. There is no point in second delay. It is WoW private srvr for God's sake, it will never be as polished as you would like. For me a good server is the one I can actually play on. Checking updates and promises every year has no value for me. I don't know why you are acting like there won't be further development after release. Even in current state it is the best vanilla experience you can get.
 
Majordomo Fanboius yells: Imprudent whelps! Nostalrius rushed headlong to its own death! See now, that Kronos stirs!
Majordomo Fanboius yells: Behold Kronos- the Vanillalord! He who was Blizzlike when this world was young! Bow before him, mortals! Bow before your ending!
Kronos yells: TOO SOON! YOU HAVE AWAKENED ME TOO SOON, FANBOIUS ! WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS INTRUSION???
Majordomo Fanboius yells: These mortal infidels, my lord! They have invaded your sanctum and seek to steal your secrets!
Kronos yells: FOOL! YOU ALLOWED THESE INSECTS TO RUN RAMPANT THROUGH THE BUGGY CORE? AND NOW YOU LEAD THEM TO MY VERY LAIR? YOU HAVE FAILED ME, FANBOIUS.JUSTICE SHALL BE MET, INDEED!


Kronos yells: NOW FOR YOU, INSECTS! BOLDLY, YOU SOUGHT THE POWER OF KRONOS NOW YOU SHALL SEE IT FIRSTHAND!

See you at launch :)
 
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Majordomo Fanboius yells: Imprudent whelps! Nostalrius rushed headlong to its own death! See now, that Kronos stirs!
Majordomo Fanboius yells: Behold Kronos- the Vanillalord! He who was Blizzlike when this world was young! Bow before him, mortals! Bow before your ending!
Kronos yells: TOO SOON! YOU HAVE AWAKENED ME TOO SOON, FANBOIUS ! WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS INTRUSION???
Majordomo Fanboius yells: These mortal infidels, my lord! They have invaded your sanctum and seek to steal your secrets!
Kronos yells: FOOL! YOU ALLOWED THESE INSECTS TO RUN RAMPANT THROUGH THE BUGGY CORE? AND NOW YOU LEAD THEM TO MY VERY LAIR? YOU HAVE FAILED ME, FANBOIUS.JUSTICE SHALL BE MET, INDEED!


Kronos yells: NOW FOR YOU, INSECTS! BOLDLY, YOU SOUGHT THE POWER OF KRONOS NOW YOU SHALL SEE IT FIRSTHAND!

See you at launch :)

Hahaha, I actually read it in Ragnaros voice. Epic.
 
They won't and they shouldn't delay. First of all announcement was already made. Changing it would make them look really bad and unrelaiable. Second of all this tactic as 'close the gates and work until perfection' is not good, as in time, Kronos would become nothing but a joke, just like Corecraft is now. And as a maker of something so complex like vanilla server you could always delay, there always would be something that could be improved, fixed better, polished more. And then you suddenly wake up in year 2020 and without playerbase.
^^ This. Kronos intended to launch in 2014. Now, people have waited long enough. This is a real world, and Chero can't let himself be a total perfectionist. "I'm a happy dreamer, I believe in Blizzlike"... No. See you at launch! With all that mostly-minor bugs that left.
 
Somehow I can understand the fact of wanting to wait even longer for better scripts but now we have a deadline and Kronos Team can't delay the Launch anymore.

Also I would like to mention that those small bugs like mobs not patrolling are not that much important and it's more like a minor detail at which we are confronted for a small handfull of seconds from time to time mostly during our Leveling. Indeed it's not Blizzlike but nor unplayable and rejecting.

Actually I'm more worried about the amount of players that will join the adventure, from this arises the life of a server, of an MMO. I'm more fussy on this point, still better having many players running around you than a NPC with nice pathfinding but nothing else.
 
I personally think Kronos needs at least 2 more weeks of bug fixing. There are still ALOT of bugs that are not fixed.
 
I'll play here simply because Charge works properly. On that other server charge puts you in the middle of the mob. Pathetic.
 
I'll play here simply because Charge works properly. On that other server charge puts you in the middle of the mob. Pathetic.

I was playing on Nost in an effort to do some bug comparisons and I had a player complain about this, and someone else answered them in General with "That's the best a private server can do with it."

So I hopped onto Kronos and made this vid and offered it up. Lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXD3EbesXlY

I guess I changed my mind and I really want Kronos to open on the date they've offered. We've waited a really long time. On the bright side, the decision to not release right when Nost did was such a flippin' super idea. The amount of work everyone was able to bust out in one month has been awe inspiring.
 
Majordomo Fanboius yells: Imprudent whelps! Nostalrius rushed headlong to its own death! See now, that Kronos stirs!
Majordomo Fanboius yells: Behold Kronos- the Vanillalord! He who was Blizzlike when this world was young! Bow before him, mortals! Bow before your ending!
Kronos yells: TOO SOON! YOU HAVE AWAKENED ME TOO SOON, FANBOIUS ! WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS INTRUSION???
Majordomo Fanboius yells: These mortal infidels, my lord! They have invaded your sanctum and seek to steal your secrets!
Kronos yells: FOOL! YOU ALLOWED THESE INSECTS TO RUN RAMPANT THROUGH THE BUGGY CORE? AND NOW YOU LEAD THEM TO MY VERY LAIR? YOU HAVE FAILED ME, FANBOIUS.JUSTICE SHALL BE MET, INDEED!


Kronos yells: NOW FOR YOU, INSECTS! BOLDLY, YOU SOUGHT THE POWER OF KRONOS NOW YOU SHALL SEE IT FIRSTHAND!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLEt46QO22k&t=797
 
Stuff as complex as this is always a work in progress...
The abstract of perfection is just that...an abstract...useful as a motivation for a driving force,an intent, if you will, towards the big picture...not so, if missing the trees for the forest^^...

Majordomo Fanboius yells: Imprudent whelps! Nostalrius rushed headlong to its own death! See now, that Kronos stirs!
Majordomo Fanboius yells: Behold Kronos- the Vanillalord! He who was Blizzlike when this world was young! Bow before him, mortals! Bow before your ending!
Kronos yells: TOO SOON! YOU HAVE AWAKENED ME TOO SOON, FANBOIUS ! WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS INTRUSION???
Majordomo Fanboius yells: These mortal infidels, my lord! They have invaded your sanctum and seek to steal your secrets!
Kronos yells: FOOL! YOU ALLOWED THESE INSECTS TO RUN RAMPANT THROUGH THE BUGGY CORE? AND NOW YOU LEAD THEM TO MY VERY LAIR? YOU HAVE FAILED ME, FANBOIUS.JUSTICE SHALL BE MET, INDEED!


Kronos yells: NOW FOR YOU, INSECTS! BOLDLY, YOU SOUGHT THE POWER OF KRONOS NOW YOU SHALL SEE IT FIRSTHAND!

See you at launch :)

Nooo!!1...Spoiled!...Never set foot in MC, and now, knowing whats it all 'bout...motivation is declining=/...
 
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