1)I don't have walls of text, i try to keep it as short as possible + i use either numbers or * marks to separate points.
Not using quotes like you never do only makes it harder for the one you're talking to to follow the discussion, forcing him to go back and see what you must be answering to. It's a form of courtesy I show to you and that you don't even appreciate.
2)You hinted at it with your text about IF, read it.
3)Having whatever number of players doesn't mean that they don't want to fake it to look like there's even more, sometimes it's the software itself that generates a bigger number than it is in reality.
Again, you didn't understand. I'll make one last attempt. If I log onto Nost, go to Ironforge and notice there's barely anyone around, then do a /who and find 10.000 players, I conclude numbers are being faked. On the other hand, if I see people everywhere, and so many of them that my fps drops, I have no reason to distrust those numbers. Also, I did use my own Census+ addon months ago, before haters started to rant about fake numbers and all that crap, and numbers were matching. I don't trust hearsay, I never listen to fanboys. I only believe what I can witness with my eyes.
Still had nothing to do with that post, so it's irrelevant + it's got nothing to do with having a different opinion.
It did have to do with that post, it was actually related to pretty much every post of yours where you deal with different opinions.
Victim? U think i consider myself a victim? No i find it just amusing, that someone who "honestly seems like they have nothing to do ingame" comes on the forums and starts arguing specifically with me. All cos i didn't agree with ur dead horse idea on another post
... I bet whatever topic i make from now on, u will come to it and disagree, just COS.
You know what, calling you egocentric seemed a bit harsh. However I'm uncertain as to whether that could actually be the case at this poin, so allow me this reality check for you. I joined in the discussion here before you did, so I obviously wasn't after you. Nowhere in the first two pages of the thread I replied to you once, let alone did I come at you. In fact, you started it over again
on page 3 when you would say
@ Aurigon - u still beating the dead horse idea
Now, that being said... long as I stay on topic, please try to do the same and spare me your ad personam/persecution complex/whatever you wanna call it.
Gurky alrdy said that there are no plans for a pve realm and noone has ever mentioned anything about that "dead horse" idea. Noone even cared about it, just a couple of ppl in 1 post.
I never suggested to open a new realm, so it's pointless that you repeat yourself over that Gurky confirmed there's no plan about it. My suggestion was/is different, and has received no official feedback yet. People didn't show their approval in crowds? Well it wasn't overwhelmed with disapproval either, so indifference can be looked at from opposite perspectives. Every novelty meets with a chorus of protests, yet if none had ever challenged the unknown to test their beliefs and face some risk, we would still live in the Middle Ages. Call it the human spirit, if you wish.
U might aswell say that "making it so that everyone has 1000 gold upon char creation isn't a dead horse, until chero has said it"...
What a great counter-argument.
It's no surprise you always end up getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.
You're the one jumping to conclusions like "omfg nost releases a new realm and that MUST mean that we're gonna loose an arbitrary amount (let's say 500) ppl... it MUST! lol
I haven't made any prediction bud (now I see why you never quote my posts, this way it's much easier for you to distort them). I simply pointed out that
IF Nost PvE realm will keep the numbers shown during its test, i.e. 1700 online players, that'd be more PvEers we did
nothing to cater to than Kronos current population.
Besides here is Zindai's very well said words about why once again, ur "catering to whoever idea is a dead horse"
Zindai's quote -->
"If the team would decide to go with mixed flags, outside players who want to skip open world PvP will have to choose between "blizzlike PvE realm on a server with very high population" and "partially blizzlike PvP/PvE solution on a server with medium population". The same goes for potential PvP players. It's not that it couldn't work if done well, but even then, we would have the issue of successfully promoting it.
True, Zindai raised a few valid points and showed some insight at least, proving he seriously pondered on an idea you are only capable to lol at and dismiss altogether. And I'll say again what my reply was to him, that the feature shouldn't be promoted, it would do its job in a discreet fashion, and only after a few months we could tell whether the idea was successful. Bottom line is, I'm sorry to hear people complain that they "
had to look for days before getting a Uldaman/ST group going, a real shame because this realm deserves much more than its current population (yeah, I was questioned about this by two totally unrelated players in the last couple days, believe it or not).
Kronos-census indicates that our population - while close to the low end of a medium pop retail realm - is stagnating, new players only make up for quitting ones, so in my opinion it's the best time to go for a slightly more aggressive strategy.
The rest of the world turning to a wasteland? There's loads of ppl lvling at all times/it IS healthy and will last
You must be reading every other line when you go through my posts for you to give so totally desultory replies. I wasn't talking about Kronos current status, I was explaining why and how population shifts affect the way a realm evolves, because
I've experienced it firsthand. I'm not spewing hearsay and random numbers. I've seen how population fluctuates when a realm is developing, how it is when it stagnates, and what happens when it starts sinking. I've seen it all, basically, hence I
do know what I'm talking about, both from a guild- and a realm-wide perspective. I was the caretaker of the census thread on Feenix, I founded and maintained its largest guild for nearly the whole of its life span and it still was me who asked one of my guildies, Dotmatrix, to set up
kronos-census back when I decided to move my guild here. I just care for the realm's playerbase and I try all I can to make it increase, sure enough giving suggestions is all I can do from where I'm at. But it should be clear by now, PvP or PvE is a relatively minor thing to me compared to what it's all about, that is players playing a game. Free PvP isn't that much of a resource to a realm as actual players themselves, it doesn't even get close to.
ED is not Kronos/times change and every situation is different/Kronos' previous fail had nothing to do with that, if u release a realm for only your country, then it's pretty obvious u ain't gonna be able to play well with 10 ppl...we have more then 10 ppl now don't we + population doesn't show anything about the quality of the realm or the community of the realm and isn't the only indicator of it's longevity
I'm not talking philosophy, ED was both the most blizzlike and the highest pop realm for 3 years. Now there's two realms where there used to be one, one is best scripted (Kronos) while the other has the highest population (Nost). Many people (maybe even most of people here) come from ED, or at least former ED players likely make up the largest share of our current population. It was a 1.12.1 realm with only 1x rates, so stating ED and Kronos have little in common is, well... rough and shallow. Population is the only reliable indicator of a realm's longevity and health, because this is a MMO game and population is the only thing that can kill it or make it succeed. I mean, it's self explanatory jeez
Well you're 500 is totally arbitrary and just a speculation man, do you not realize that? Hence it's utterly meaningless to even comment on this tbh.
Do you even read what I write? :blink: 500 is but a sample I used to show you how numbers affect a realm and its potential, they're not an end in themselves. They determine possibilities and improvements, 500 people mean nothing on Nost but it's half peak population here, which is why I
would instantly burn with fire the possibility to engage #% less people in PvP (put here any percentage of PvEers on global pop you think we might gain with my suggestion) if that meant we could gain even just the 30% of those who showed up on Nost PvE tests.
