Another locked thread

[dalrack]

Just needed to post this, if anyone from North America time zone wants to read it. It'll probably be locked or deleted, but I hope that Chero shows at least a grain of respect for the server and keeps this open so that others can see how judgement is passed. Some may appreciate it. Others may dislike it. But at least be honest about it. I understand that we could have done more, but we thought that we did everything appropriately.

Why would you lock these threads instantly... at least allow an open discussion. Cutting off the thread makes it look like you have something to hide! Keeping the issue private like this between ONE person in the guild was a bad decision. Locking threads like this doesn't help anyone. I understand that nobody gets paid, but this entire process has essentially ruined the North American raiding population, which was already suffering!

But, there's SO many things wrong here... Nobody was blackmailing you, everything said was facts, nothing else. Banning Volatile meant that the North American population would practically disappear. Sure, he worded it poorly because he was upset. But banning an entire guild for badly coded resets is... well, it's just not right. 40 people show up to raid and you really expect them to disband the raid because the server messed up? We created a ticket for this reason and continued to clear the Domo & Rag that we needed to finish. It was pretty simple to us. None of us expected to keep the loot, but we still had Rag to do. So Erock opened up the ticket and we put in the extra 2 hours to clear shit we didn't need, OR WANT, to clear.

I'm sorry that it turned out this way, and it's unfortunate that everyone on the Kronos team let it. I hope that you understand this was still an issue on the server side and I hope that you find out the core issue so that you don't unnecessarily ban more guilds in the future! Honestly, it's probably highly related to the honor calculations/server restarts. And someone had to notice, since you conveniently moved the honor calculations right before making this decision!

 

[skyrunner620]

40 people show up to raid and you really expect them to disband the raid because the server messed up?

The answer to this is yes. If you honestly thought it was a good idea to kill the same MC bosses twice in one week while getting double loot I don't know what to tell you. What did you expect would happen? It's pretty shitty that no GM answered your ticket (they SHOULD have GMs online 24/7) but even if they did I'm not sure anyone short of Chero would've been able to do anything about it. Would they death touch everything up to Domo and Rag for you? Possible, but probably only Chero could do that for you and he's not always online. It really sucks that you'd get screwed out of Domo and Rag for the week but you can be guaranteed everyone would be on your side then. As it is now I can't say the ban is undeserved, especially not with the kind of reply your GM gave. You've got no sympathy from me.

I do agree that there's no reason to lock the threads.

 

[Mosotti]

No idea what you're saying there, but I think it's about some guild getting banned for abusing a bug? Well, cry me a river :laugh:

YES, if the server "messed up", you don't abuse the "mess", it's as simple as that. As for NA population disappearing because a cheating guild got banned, lol :lol:

 

[Coding3347]

No idea what you're saying there, but I think it's about some guild getting banned for abusing a bug? Well, cry me a river :laugh:

YES, if the server "messed up", you don't abuse the "mess", it's as simple as that. As for NA population disappearing because a cheating guild got banned, lol :lol:

Pls learn to read english :winkiss: Not as simple as you make it.

 

[nihilithak]

I was in Volatile. I knew we were killing too many bosses. I'm not upset about the ban. Lets open with that.

I am surprised that we were the only guild to take advantage of this however. Surely other guilds had similar raid days and noticed this, and also kept raiding. I would think anyway. I guess all I'm trying to say is that we didn't use some super secret hack to get extra loot. We just zoned in, which everyone else also had the opportunity to do.

 

[skyrunner620]

If you clear everything in one raid you'll never realize it reset wrongly.

 

[Gurky]

As an actual player of NA times I don't believe this had ruined anything. I feel you are putting the blame on the GM's actions for banning you for the abuse of a bug, when the blame you are asserting should be placed on yourselves for breaking a rules in the first place.


As a GM I wish you and the members of your guild to stay as your ban is only 14 days for most of you, I have no issue with most of you personally, seeing I have helped quite a few of you and if you leave you will be missed.


However, as a player I look at it without a care seeing we don't need people ruining the game and how it is meant to be played. It isn't fair to me as a player to see a single raid to kill Eight bosses over and over in a week to max out their gear while I actually play by the rules and get my gear legit. Also, as a player if you do choose to leave it will be fine and we as a NA pop will survive and more will join to replace your slots.

– The player is obliged to report any bug in the game. Failing to do so or abusing the bug will be punished based on the decision of a competent person.
– Abuse of bugs/exploits or use of game mechanics in a way is not intended (ignorance is not a excuse)

 

[Erock]

[9:45:52 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/116mc6u/8
[9:46:22 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/219z08w/8
[9:46:43 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/29xdt1d/8
[9:47:01 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/28u4lck/8
[9:47:20 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2uq2gwl/8
[9:47:46 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2h82r9j/8
[9:48:05 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/3027wnr/8
[9:48:23 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2i2268i/8
[9:49:03 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2zzpx7n/8
[9:49:21 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/126a2df/8
[9:49:41 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2n8bi38/8

Disclaimer: I am not Buzzx, but this is the information we(Volatile) was relayed. Last time I posted these SS's the thread got completely deleted, not just locked. Looks like you're trying to sweep us under the rug.

 

[Revo]

all private servers have bugs. on some bad ones you just get away with it when you abuse em. you kill bosses multiple times, get multiple loot and GMs are ok with that while all others, that did not take advantage of that and want to play fair get mad. on other proper servers you get punished for such activities - and the abusers get mad

your rageful posts wont help you btw, youre just making it worse.
and if you'd actually return after that 2 banned weeks, your reputation on the server will be as low as it never had been before. community-wise as well GM-wise. get some brain, get some balls and get some manners.

/no more attention for that bs

 

[Weedix]

You can't go and abuse a bug without reporting the issue and then expect to come out of it like nothing happened just because you're from NA. The GMs did what was right and now it's time to move on.

p.s I am from NA as well.

 

[Gurky]

[9:45:52 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/116mc6u/8
[9:46:22 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/219z08w/8
[9:46:43 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/29xdt1d/8
[9:47:01 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/28u4lck/8
[9:47:20 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2uq2gwl/8
[9:47:46 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2h82r9j/8
[9:48:05 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/3027wnr/8
[9:48:23 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2i2268i/8
[9:49:03 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2zzpx7n/8
[9:49:21 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/126a2df/8
[9:49:41 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2n8bi38/8



Disclaimer: I am not Buzzx, but this is the information we(Volatile) was relayed. Last time I posted these SS's the thread got completely deleted, not just locked. Looks like you're trying to sweep us under the rug.

I really don't see anything unjust here though

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[9:45:52 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/116mc6u/8
[9:46:22 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/219z08w/8
[9:46:43 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/29xdt1d/8
[9:47:01 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/28u4lck/8
[9:47:20 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2uq2gwl/8
[9:47:46 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2h82r9j/8
[9:48:05 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/3027wnr/8
[9:48:23 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2i2268i/8
[9:49:03 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2zzpx7n/8
[9:49:21 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/126a2df/8
[9:49:41 PM] (Channel) Buzz: http://tinypic.com/r/2n8bi38/8



Disclaimer: I am not Buzzx, but this is the information we(Volatile) was relayed. Last time I posted these SS's the thread got completely deleted, not just locked. Looks like you're trying to sweep us under the rug.

I really don't see anything unjust here though

 

[Erock]

You see the GM's acknowledge that they did not read my ticket until AFTER the fact. YES I ticketed it and got absolutely 0 response.

You see them admit other guilds have killed Onyxia violating THE SAME rule we did except in Molten Core, only exception being Onyxia is a single fight and they are more lenient.

This is your staff teams words, not mine, and nothing has been edited or twisted. 100% as is

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You can't go and abuse a bug without reporting the issue and then expect to come out of it like nothing happened just because you're from NA. The GMs did what was right and now it's time to move on.

p.s I am from NA as well.

If you read the screenshots posted you'll see the issue was reported. The GM's "lost" my report and didn't respond at all. Had they responded with something along the lines of "We know it's not working as intended killing these bosses will get you banned" We wouldn't have proceeded obviously.

If they KNEW the bosses were bugged perhaps to stop some confusion they should have a MoTD saying Raids are experiencing reset problems blah blah etc you will be banned. Just like they did for numerous other things, but then they'd have to let everyone on the server know their end-game isn't as polished as they'd like you to believe.

 

[darkwingduck]

my issue is not with the banning going on or what happend. my issue is with how team memebers are handling the situation. with their words not chosen so carefully and very unprofessional. besides gurky. Gurky has never shown any unprofessionalism and is a great team member. wish all were like him.

http://imgur.com/5L2dELP
http://imgur.com/6J3Wi6g
http://textuploader.com/ubkb

 

[nihilithak]

To give an approximation of how this will impact the server, on Monday prime-time Pacific time, there were 59 level 60's online (edit: horde side). 30 of them were in Volatile.

I wish you all the best, and hopefully other people will level up and fill the holes this will leave.

 

[HBK]

Us from Synced ...or SYNECD (as the Arcanum peeps would say)...:wink: encountered this "early ID reset bug" just a couple of days ago aswell. Seems it only happens for Molten Core though, Onyxia has always reset properly every 5 days on the calendar.

The Molten Core resets have been messed up from the beginning though, it's currently not on the obligatory Wednesday mornings (for EU). But anyway, everybody should know that players are supposed to clear Molten Core just ONCE in an ID circle (which normally goes from Wed-Tue).
Killing the same Boss more than once in such a circle is an obvious bug-abuse and you guys should know that. But that has been mentioned many times before, i know you don't need to get informed of that again...

you guys mentioned that you did it just to get back to the point of progression that you were on before your ID got accidentally reset... up to that point, your line of thought is understandable and it is a pity that you didn't get immediate help when you reported that, but again as other people mentioned, this doesn't allow you to exploit the bug then.
And had you at least left the loot inside the bosses, it would have shown your good will and your intention to NOT EXPLOIT. But since you (maybe just your GM/Raid Leader is the person to blame) didn't go that way... you have really no point on your side of the argument.

what i can't leave unnoticed as a member of Synced though, is that after you knew that you did some heavy exploiting and got punished for it, that you guys have nothing better to do than making a complaint and report a different guild claiming that they have abused the same thing, without any evidence and even worse... with FALSE EVIDENCE...! This is such a low move and shows what kind of people you are and it is for this reason why there is also no sympathy from our side for you either. "I pity the fool..." is what Mr. T would say to you! :shifty:

As far as your punishment goes, me personally, i think the punishment has been a little too hard, but it is not on me to judge. 14 days for i don't know how many people is tough to swallow, i give you guys that.
Perhaps it could have been handled with some more sensitivity, but again the punishment is totally up to the Admins of this project. And then again... can you ever count on "sensitivity" in such matters or similar matters in real life? i don't think so.

So yeah it is a shame that you got punished hard, but it is also a shame that you didn't use your brain in the first place before the crime happened. :innocent:

keep it classy, keep it dapper!

 

[Gurky]

You see the GM's acknowledge that they did not read my ticket until AFTER the fact. YES I ticketed it and got absolutely 0 response.

You see them admit other guilds have killed Onyxia violating THE SAME rule we did except in Molten Core, only exception being Onyxia is a single fight and they are more lenient.

This is your staff teams words, not mine, and nothing has been edited or twisted. 100% as is

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If you read the screenshots posted you'll see the issue was reported. The GM's "lost" my report and didn't respond at all. Had they responded with something along the lines of "We know it's not working as intended killing these bosses will get you banned" We wouldn't have proceeded obviously.

If they KNEW the bosses were bugged perhaps to stop some confusion they should have a MoTD saying Raids are experiencing reset problems blah blah etc you will be banned. Just like they did for numerous other things, but then they'd have to let everyone on the server know their end-game isn't as polished as they'd like you to believe.

As for your ticket I am not saying we never got it. However I am the main GM on during NA times and I never came across a ticket myself submitted by your or anyone else from your guild unanswered could mean we just never got your ticket. Usually these tickets are saved by us the gm's till the whole team can view it.

As for if the ticket ever existed I couldn't tell you but during me time doing my GM Duties I never saw one.

 

[Erock]

As for your ticket I am not saying we never got it. However I am the main GM on during NA times and I never came across a ticket myself submitted by your or anyone else from your guild unanswered could mean we just never got your ticket. Usually these tickets are saved by us the gm's till the whole team can view it.

As for if the ticket ever existed I couldn't tell you but during me time doing my GM Duties I never saw one.

Gurky my issue was never with you, you've always been helpful and the most available GM. My issue is showing the community how poorly this was handled, and to shed light on the uninformed people spreading bull rumors. I don't know if I'll log in after my 2 weeks is up to be honest, the same people are always going to be in charge of the server and do whatever they please.

To this day I still have not received any form of contact from Chero to work out the issue from 3 days ago of someone attempting to log onto my account just to intentionally get it banned for 5 minutes. Yet he can just magically appear to lay down a ban hammer without even talking to anyone whenever some raid ID bugs and someone gets some extra loot. So yes forgive me for not being so adamant as to send a second long winded ticket explaining the bugs I've faced. In fact nothing I report seems to get a response ever. Including the pet combat bug CONSTANTLY abused by Alliance Pvpers.

A lot of people left Nostralius for the interactive GMs and the better community, but when I can't even get a problem with my account solved, and I just get the wild goose chase run around from GM to GM is the staff actually better than Nostralius?

Is this server free? Yes. Does that mean you(not necessarily you, but other staff) can treat the people that play here like this. Yes, it does. Will it continue? Probably, that's my personal reason for why I may not be back after my 2 weeks is up.

 

[HBK]

You see them admit other guilds have killed Onyxia violating THE SAME rule we did except in Molten Core, only exception being Onyxia is a single fight and they are more lenient.

This is your staff teams words, not mine, and nothing has been edited or twisted. 100% as is

here you are, and this is why you guys can't even be taken serious and you're just making a complete fool out of yourself, Mr. Erock!

Nowhere in this screenshot does zarquon say "yes we know they abused it aswell" what i can see out of his answers is that he didn't seem to know what was going on with us <Synced> or <Insidious>, because they may have not looked into these cases yet at the point when that IRC conv happened.
As you can see here http://forum.twinstar.cz/showthread.php/96188-Guild-Synced-Other , after you made a GM investigate and waste his time for this case, it has been proven by the server logs that Synced has not abused a single fucking ID!
So even mentioning our case in these IRC conversations has been totally unnecessary and brought nothing but more confusion to the table!

 

[Erock]

here you are, and this is why you guys can't even be taken serious and you're just making a complete fool out of yourself, Mr. Erock!

Nowhere in this screenshot does zarquon say "yes we know they abused it aswell" what i can see out of his answers is that he didn't seem to know what was going on with us <Synced> or <Insidious>, because they may have not looked into these cases yet.
As you can see here http://forum.twinstar.cz/showthread.php/96188-Guild-Synced-Other , after you made a GM investigate and waste his time for this case, it has been proven by the server logs that Synced has not abused a single fucking ID!
So even mentioning our case in these IRC conversations has been totally unnecessary and brought nothing but more confusion to the table!

Exactly my point, the GMs are uninformed and have no clue what's going on. He does say that "they are more lenient on Onyxia" which you can certainly see how that'd lead someone to believe that Onyxia was killed when she shouldn't have been by other guilds. You should also be able to see why we are upset when we're basically hinted that they know about this bug, HINT that other guilds could do the same to Onyxia unpunished, knew they neglected my ticket, and then banned an ENTIRE guild for 2 weeks.

If they felt we got 2 extra weeks worth of loot (which we didn't we got 1 +2 random bosses). Instead of banning for 2 weeks why not give us a raid lockout for two weeks, it was an innocent mistake and honestly most of us are sorry that it happened this way. In hindsight would we have done it again? Fuck no, it was NOT malicious and we wanted to correct this as much as the community and the GM/Dev team.

 

[fefejooj]

Is exploiting bosses for extra loot wrong? Yes!

Is closing every thread about this subject wrong? Yes!

 

[HBK]

well, i don't know, all i see is a unnecessary conversation started by people who have been caught for their "crimes" and of course you can't help but let your saltyness out and blame the server team for everything.

i find it nice enough that team members took their time and had rather lengthy conversations with a Guild Master trying to solve the problem or to explain the actions. you may not even get that service in other places.

Also, you talk about the server team not being professional, HECK! they are NO PROFESSIONALS! they're just people, friendly people, who dedicate some of their free time to YOUR ENJOYMENT.
Hosting this server is not their main obligation and them not always using the most proper terms or being politically correct at all times is just reasonable and understandable.
Keep in mind, they are also no native english speakers, so their choice of words may not be the best either at all times. Don't be so ignorant!

It is the Volatile Guild Master that acts like a freaking kid that got his lollypop taken that he STOLE from the Candy Shop, you know!
I mean, he is in fact begging about not getting his gear removed that he obtained from these illegitimate boss kills, how freaking ridiculous is that? it's hilarious boys... what else can be said about that. i mean... take a look at his armory link, look at his gear and you see why he doesnt want to get the gear removed, it's really hilarious, simply laughable :laugh:.
Imo, it is the most natural punishment if they got denied of their loot. That would have been the first thing that comes to my mind if i have had to come up with a punishment, and as Zarquon pointed it out in that IRC conversation, this would have just been the removal of the error, not even a punishment. So a punishment on top of that is certainly of reason, otherwise you would have literally gotten away with no punishment at all!
You guys do have to see that!

 

[nihilithak]

I'll be the first person to say that the ban was warranted. I'm not really bothered about it myself.

But, this is a 10 year old game and we weren't hurting anyone or anything by doing this in my opinion. Everyone had the same opportunity to clear the raid that we did. I feel that they should have banned us for 3-4 days and removed the loot from any kills they considered to be outside of the normal lock out. That would have been in line with the other example that one of the GM's gave. I'm not trying to contest the ban, or cry about it. Just giving my opinion on the matter.

I do wonder what the US horde raid scene will look like after this however.

 

[Zargoth]

Let's keep this on topic. "Another locked thread"

You broke the rules, you got caught, some of you tried to lie your way out of it, you were punished.
End of discussion.

Yet some of you continue to whine here in the forums instead of utilizing the proper procedures. Spend more time reading the forums and at least glance at the rules. Chero was justified in locking the previous threads! The way they were heading could have resulted in bans of a more permanent nature.

 

[Duma]

Volatile guildies we got hung out to dry and fucked over, stop beating this dead horse with new topics. GM's are going ot go around and around in a circle, especially after Necronis bullshit playing them, and all the other random nobodies in other guilds are going to circle jerk over it because we are the outsiders.

90% in the guild has already moved on and will not be coming back after the bans are up. Enjoy shutting the server down for a 3rd time because you are well on the way to it.

Protip: When blatant exploiters get caught they don't quit. They stick around until they are permabanned. No one here is coming back. What a shit show by a bunch of amateurs who still have a lot to learn about running a service.

No wonder you closed down twice before.

 

[Gurky]

Volatile guildies we got hung out to dry and fucked over, stop beating this dead horse with new topics. GM's are going ot go around and around in a circle, especially after Necronis bullshit playing them, and all the other random nobodies in other guilds are going to circle jerk over it because we are the outsiders.

90% in the guild has already moved on and will not be coming back after the bans are up. Enjoy shutting the server down for a 3rd time because you are well on the way to it.

Protip: When blatant exploiters get caught they don't quit. They stick around until they are permabanned. No one here is coming back. What a shit show by a bunch of amateurs who still have a lot to learn about running a service.

No wonder you closed down twice before.

Losing players with this attitude is not what will shut down the server. Posts like yours are what get topics like this locked.
I wish who ever chooses to leave good luck I hope all goes well with where you go. if you choose to stay we will still accept you and give some Gurky lovin's.

No problems should happen if bosses aren't killed extra times in a week and everything will be fine. Simple as that, I feel as some players think we as GM's just love going around banning random people for no reason. That is so far from the case I would prefer it if I never had to hand out a ban at all.

Good Luck Duma I am sorry you feel that way about Kronos.