Paladin Judgement of the Crusader

[frederik]

Is the holy damage increase against a target just added to my spell damage?

Let's say I have 0 spell damage but my enemy is affected by Judgement of the Crusader rank 6 which increases holy damage done by 140. My Holy Shock rank 3 deals 365 minimum. So the minimum damage (rounded up) of Holy Shock in that case would be 424 (365 + 140 * 0.42)? I assumed here that Holy Shock benefits from 42 % of my spell damage.

 

[Psojed]

Yes.

 

[tristan]

There is a special case, which is Seal of Command. Since the bonus damage it adds is Holy Damage, Seal of Command formula will look like:

SoC Base Dmg. + Bonus Spell Dmg. * 0.2 + Bonus Holy Spell Dmg. * 0.29

So if we asume your average base damage is 500, and you have 100 spell bonus and your target has the Judgement of the Crusader debuff:

500*0.7+100*0.2+140*0.29 = 350+20+40.6=410.6 Dmg.

And that's without considering any other buffs like Sanctity Aura or Vengeance.

Cheers :smile:

 

[killerduki]

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.4.0

Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins.

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=243&mid=11287757594799940

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Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot.

http://paladin-guide.blogspot.com/2005/12/judgements.html

Debuffing Judgements

Multiple paladins can activate different judgements of this kind on the same target.

Enjoy with this bug report.

You should be able to stack up multiple judgement of the crusade ranks to target and this should work properly and increase holy damage.

cheers.


Currently in Kronoss = you can't stack multiple ranks

 

[bl4ckc0d3r]

Please don't start discussing this with killerduki. He is well known to stick to his wrong ideas no matter how much evidence you throw at him. Just ignoring him is the best policy or this thread will turn into trollfest.

 

[Lharts]

Checked out all his Kronos and Nostalrius reports. Its was a pretty fun read.
Tristan answered OPs question /thread

 

[Theloras]

Please don't start discussing this with killerduki. He is well known to stick to his wrong ideas no matter how much evidence you throw at him. Just ignoring him is the best policy or this thread will turn into trollfest.

orly?

i'm the one who found the evidence and it's legit

 

[Lharts]

http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=49214/judgement-of-light-wis-stacking
Please provide a video that shows this "stacking". Every other evidence can be easily dismissed as anecdotal.
Not just that, but anecdotal from a bunch of utter twats.

all ranks JoW, wand 5 times -> fully regenerated
Sorry, a bit hard to believe.

 

[killerduki]

http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=49214/judgement-of-light-wis-stacking
Please provide a video that shows this "stacking". Every other evidence can be easily dismissed as anecdotal.
Not just that, but anecdotal from a bunch of utter twats.

all ranks JoW, wand 5 times -> fully regenerated
Sorry, a bit hard to believe.

By Ferrington on 2008/10/28 at 6:45 PM (Patch 3.0.2)

Well that is 3.0.2 Patch and not 1.12.1 Patch.


Maybe it is hard for you to believe but Evidence is right there on patch notes and those that played prot/retri 10 years ago know this.


http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.4.0

Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins.

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html...87757594799940

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#5Oct 09 2005 at 2:50 AMRating: Decent
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Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot.

http://paladin-guide.blogspot.com/20...udgements.html
[h=2]Saturday, December 17, 2005[/h]
Debuffing Judgements

Multiple paladins can activate different judgements of this kind on the same target.

Enjoy with Patch notes and Date released.


"it is hard to believe for 1handed too" but yeah it is right there too and waiting for dev team to fix".

 

[tristan]

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Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot.

Seems like you didn't fully read it. From the same thread, only a few posts away:
"Reportedly this was nerfed in the 1.8 patch so that now you can only have one rank each of JoW and JoL on a monster, though I haven't had a chance to confirm this."




The sites you found are from year 2005, and patch 1.12.1 is september 2006, so you are a little outdated in your info.

 

[Theloras]

http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=49214/judgement-of-light-wis-stacking
Please provide a video that shows this "stacking". Every other evidence can be easily dismissed as anecdotal.
Not just that, but anecdotal from a bunch of utter twats.

all ranks JoW, wand 5 times -> fully regenerated
Sorry, a bit hard to believe.

You are quoting people from 2008/10/29 at noon (Patch 3.0.2) which is during Wrath of the Lich King.

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Seems like you didn't fully read it. From the same thread, only a few posts away:
"Reportedly this was nerfed in the 1.8 patch so that now you can only have one rank each of JoW and JoL on a monster, though I haven't had a chance to confirm this."




The sites you found are from year 2005, and patch 1.12.1 is september 2006, so you are a little outdated in your info.

You have the 2005 evidence and then the following evidence that went through all the way to BC:

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.4.0

Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins.

 

[Lharts]

post video or piss off already

 

[tristan]

You are quoting people from 2008/10/29 at noon (Patch 3.0.2) which is during Wrath of the Lich King.

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You have the 2005 evidence and then the following evidence that went through all the way to BC:

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.4.0

Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins.

The "icons" do not mean that the actual effect stacked. It could be very well just a visual bug about the icons. Not enough proof.

 

[Theloras]

post video or piss off already

wow, bro douche much?

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The "icons" do not mean that the actual effect stacked. It could be very well just a visual bug about the icons. Not enough proof.

now this is the appropriate way to debate someone - perhaps Lharts could take notes here...

 

[killerduki]

wow, bro douche much?

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now this is the appropriate way to debate someone - perhaps Lharts could take notes here...

it is worthless trying theloras

look at their respond about this : http://forum.twinstar.cz/showthread.php/106688-Weapon-spec-talents-working

 

[frederik]

it is worthless trying theloras

look at their respond about this : http://forum.twinstar.cz/showthread.php/106688-Weapon-spec-talents-working

What about it? The discussion was never rude in any way. You did not list any solid evidence and completely ignored arguments against your claim.

 

[tristan]

wow, bro douche much?

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now this is the appropriate way to debate someone - perhaps Lharts could take notes here...

It seems that it's your first time reading a Lharts reply :laugh:, thanks for the compliment though

it is worthless trying theloras

look at their respond about this : http://forum.twinstar.cz/showthread.php/106688-Weapon-spec-talents-working

Well, to sum it up, I believe that different ranks of judgements actually stacked in vanilla untill some point, probably patch 1.8 or 1.9, but then it was changed and I'm very sure that in 1.12 they didn't stack. Your evidence points towars that conclusion.

Always keep in mind that here on Kronos we play patch 1.12.1, so class mechanics must work the way they did in that exact patch, and the evidence you should provide must be of that patch too.

 

[killerduki]

Well, to sum it up, I believe that different ranks of judgements actually stacked in vanilla untill some point, probably patch 1.8 or 1.9, but then it was changed and I'm very sure that in 1.12 they didn't stack. Your evidence points towars that conclusion.

This is your believes but Evidence says until 2.4.0 Patch its been like that.

I been playing this game since 2005 as Protection Paladin and i am pretty sure that you talk and confirm stuffs based on "assumptions" denying evidences. (only because you believe like that).

 

[frederik]

you talk and confirm stuffs based on "assumptions" denying evidences. (only because you believe like that).

That actually sounds more like you to be honest

 

[tristan]

This is your believes but Evidence says until 2.4.0 Patch its been like that.

I been playing this game since 2005 as Protection Paladin and i am pretty sure that you talk and confirm stuffs based on "assumptions" denying evidences. (only because you believe like that).

I've been playing paladin since 2006 :laugh:
Well, it seems it's pointless to keep arguing with you. GL with that.

 

[killerduki]

That actually sounds more like you to be honest

I am sorry but i am providing Evidence unlike your Believes .

Since when "Believes" count as Arguments?

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.4.0

Judgement of the Crusader: It is no longer possible to have icons for two different ranks of Judgment of the Crusader appear at the same time when judged by multiple Paladins.

http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=243&mid=11287757594799940

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#5Oct 09 2005 at 2:50 AMRating: Decent
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Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot.

http://paladin-guide.blogspot.com/2005/12/judgements.html

Debuffing Judgements
[h=2]Saturday, December 17, 2005[/h]
Multiple paladins can activate different judgements of this kind on the same target.

Enjoy with this bug report.

You should be able to stack up multiple judgement of the crusade ranks to target and this should work properly and increase holy damage.

cheers.


Currently in Kronoss = you can't stack multiple ranks

 

[Blackpeixera]

Hey, Lharts is ours. He may be a douche, but he's our douche.

And how is providing anedoctal evidence ( comments, wikis and guides ), a true evidence? He-said-She-said was never acceptable as concrete in any case, or circumstances, unless you're the inquisition doing a witch hunt.

Post a video, or better yet, try to make a GM look for the info. But sadly, you tried, on the One handed weapon topic, and well, you failed. The GM has no authorization to post such, and as such, you have no concrete evidence for your claims.

Tough.

 

[killerduki]

Hey, Lharts is ours. He may be a douche, but he's our douche.

And how is providing anedoctal evidence ( comments, wikis and guides ), a true evidence? He-said-She-said was never acceptable as concrete in any case, or circumstances, unless you're the inquisition doing a witch hunt.

Post a video, or better yet, try to make a GM look for the info. But sadly, you tried, on the One handed weapon topic, and well, you failed. The GM has no authorization to post such, and as such, you have no concrete evidence for your claims.

Tough.

And Patchnote is not Anecdotal Evidence?!

 

[Psojed]

You're linking a TBC patch note, which is not related to vanilla in any way. It was most likely a bugfix from the new TBC interface.

The allakhazam discussion is a solid evidence.

The blogspot description does not contribute anything. It says that you could use different judgements on the same target, but it says nothing about using different ranks of one specific judgement.

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Question is, at which point did they change the mechanics. In other words, you need a proof that you could stack multiple ranks of JotCrusader in 2006.

 

[Theloras]

You're linking a TBC patch note, which is not related to vanilla in any way. It was most likely a bugfix from the new TBC interface.

The allakhazam discussion is a solid evidence.

The blogspot description does not contribute anything. It says that you could use different judgements on the same target, but it says nothing about using different ranks of one specific judgement.

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Question is, at which point did they change the mechanics. In other words, you need a proof that you could stack multiple ranks of JotCrusader in 2006.

Cause there were so many raiding Rets back in 2006...let alone multiple raiding Ret Paladins in the same 40man raid...