Paladin seal twisting

[Cephas]

I don't know if this was up for debate or not but it can be done on this server.

 

[Theloras]

View attachment 8338I don't know if this was up for debate or not but it can be done on this server.

If Psojed has his way then probably not...cause ZOMG WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE FROM VANILLA THAT IT ACTUALLY WORKED!!!

 

[Lharts]

I am still waiting for the backlash when you hit 60 and find out that Reckoning stacks are properly removed by CC.

 

[Theloras]

I am still waiting for the backlash when you hit 60 and find out that Reckoning stacks are properly removed by CC.

not gonna bother playing here - not worth my time - but it's nice to see Psojed facepalm my post above regarding Seal Twisting

lemme know if you find any evidence from Vanilla of anyone using it or even knowing that it existed - otherwise from your perspective, it should be nerfed into the ground here amirite?

 

[Lharts]

ITS ALREADY WORKING YOU INSUFFERABLE PIECE OF HUMAN GARBAGE

 

[Theloras]

ITS ALREADY WORKING YOU INSUFFERABLE PIECE OF HUMAN GARBAGE

You are missing the entire point of my post and why you and Psojed are the insufferable pieces of human garbage imho...

Based on Psojed's criteria for bug reporting/fixing, without concrete evidence that anyone ever actually used Seal Twisting during retail Vanilla (especially around patch 1.12 which is what Kronos is based on), then Psojed must report it as a bug and get it removed post haste by the devs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA8HT324wro

#TheAbsenceOfEvidenceIsNotEvidenceOfAbsence

 

[Psojed]

I know that Seal Twisting existed and worked prior to TBC, I also know that the mechanic works on Kronos, it has worked ever since I can remember, and I never had any intention to make Seal Twisting disappear.

Also Theloras, I'm really annoyed by your stupid comments about what I will surely do to "have my way" or "get something removed post haste by the devs" or other similar remarks. You don't know me, so stop presuming that you do. I welcome your commentary, as long as you don't aim your posts against me. Whatever reason your mind has come up with to write these remarks, I don't care, it's your thing. But keep your weird stuff to yourself, don't plague every topic in the paladin forum with it. Thanks.

 

[Theloras]

Well, unlike you I actually go straight to the source to try and find answers:

https://github.com/FeenixServerProject/Phoenix_1.12.1_Issue_tracker/issues/3652

https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4651925/3946600/59247fee-2676-11e4-9fa8-f1868709971e.jpg

https://twitter.com/Theloras_WoW/status/723648318857830400

https://twitter.com/Theloras_WoW/status/723650898296082432

That's the difference between you and I - according to your dogmatic view of Vanilla evidence gathering, Seal Twisting shouldn't exist on Vanilla but lo and behold, I proved that you were wrong:

https://github.com/FeenixServerProject/Phoenix_1.12.1_Issue_tracker/issues/4025

So maybe show me a bit of respect and I will likewise...

 

[Psojed]

Good luck with the source. Sadly, I don't believe it will bring you any success, since people usually don't precisely remember what they did 10 years ago. The screenshot you linked shows how vague the the gm's response was.

The difference between you and me is that you seemingly take every clue for granted, where I do not. I prefer to cross check my findings with multiple sources.
So far it seems that you prefer to keep repeating what was already linked once before, and if that doesn't help, you add unrelated links to issues about different stuff that were posted on Feenix bugtracker. Combine that with putting words and ideas into my mouth, ones that I never said or wrote. That doesn't exactly give me any reason to respect you, does it?

It's not like I choose what is good and what is bad, even my posted proofs for some of the bug reports I make are not accepted, even though the sources seem pretty clear to me. But for what you and duki are claiming in those other two topics, there is only a 2005 source, after which the whole paladin class was changed upside down. Thousands and thousands of people have played the game after this change and after this piece of information was revealed in 2005 and nobody posts a peep about it? That's weird.

 

[bl4ckc0d3r]

Day #15: Dear diary, Psojed and Lharts are still locked in an endless discussion with Theloras and Killerduki.

 

[SuperomegaOP]

Can someone explain to me ahat seal twisting actually is?

 

[Methos]

Can someone explain to me ahat seal twisting actually is?

[video=youtube;1ud1KQvvs1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ud1KQvvs1M[/video]
Really easy but for some reason i cant get it to work. . .
They didnt remove this til mid WOTLK.

 

[Theloras]

Oh, and here's some more information for you and Psojed about Reckoning:


http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-paladin/1069149.htm


that poster was only half right - you don't lose actual reck charges from those events - what has a chance to reset is the reck COUNTER addon as is described in this video by one of the top retail Vanilla Reck Paladins - Thakshar:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQzxgkXRA1Y#t=325


watch his or any other old school reck bomb video and you will see that they don't lose reck charges while losing control of their character


as Thakshar comes out of every rogue stun lock, he stuns and drops full reck bombs on his opponents - this is how it worked on feenix and nost as well as my reck counter would reset to zero when I get blinded, feared etc. but the actual reck charges remain


this poster was also incorrect when they said the following:


Can I sit down to force a crit and gain a charge?
Charges will not generate off auto attacks or npc attacks by trying to sit down and force a crit. However, ability crits from physical abilities such as Sinister Strike, Hamstring, Auto-shot, Aimed shot, etc will generate a charge if you're sitting.


all in all, that "blue post link" is full of half truths and somewhat misleading information


How to be a Gankadin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuPEzEoexLI
- this video directly contradicts the "Charges will not generate off auto attacks or npc attacks by trying to sit down and force a crit" statement

 

[Psojed]

...

Putting aside the fact that you're (yet again) posting off-topic information about Reckoning into a topic about Seal Twisting, Reckoning already works properly.

 

[Theloras]

I am still waiting for the backlash when you hit 60 and find out that Reckoning stacks are properly removed by CC.

Posting this now seeing as Psojed was so butthurt that he banned me from the forums for a week, even though I was replying to Lharts ^^^ see above ^^^

I was replying to your boyfriend's post earlier in the Seal Twisting thread - he's the one who brought up Reckoning, not me.

So are you going to ban him from the forums as well or are you going to maintain your hypocritical stance and leave me banned - even though I completely destroyed both you and Lharts with my post about both Reckoning not working correctly on Kronos and that Seal of Command should not be resisted.

TLDR - If you keep me banned and do nothing on either Reckoning or SoC then you are a complete fucking tool and clearly not educated or skilled enough to be a Vanilla WoW game tester.

Sincerely,

Theloras

PS If the truth hurts too much, then grow a pair.

PPS If you still spout off that Seal of Command should be fully resisted, then you are singlehandedly fucking over every Ret Paladin on this server...

PPPS And no, Reckoning is NOT working correctly on your piece of $hit server either as my evidence clearly shows

There is no "Full Partial Resists" on Holy Spells since Holy Resistance have been replaced with Arcane since 0.9 Patch.
(only exception is judgement of command which follows melee hit rating)
http://web.archive.org/web/200607181347 ... ances.html

Resistance Score---------------------50 -100 -150 -200-250
Chance to Resist Spell---------------0%-1%-1%-11%-25%
Chance to Resist 100% Damage--0%-1%-1%-11%-25%
Chance to Resist 75% Damage---2%-6%-18%-34%-55%
Chance to Resist 50% Damage----11%-24%-48%-40%-16%
Chance to Resist 25% Damage----33%-49%-26%-14%-3%
Chance to Take Full Damage--------54%-20%-7%-1%-1%

 

[Psojed]

Except I can't ban anyone, and you are still posting off-topic :biggrin:

Chance to Resist Spell---------------0%-1%-1%-11%-25%
Chance to Resist 100% Damage--0%-1%-1%-11%-25%

What could this be?

 

[krutopatkin]

Lharts and Psojed are well known for having an amazing relationship indeed.

 

[Theloras]

Except I can't ban anyone, and you are still posting off-topic :biggrin:


What could this be?

And did you ban Lharts for posting off-topic?!?!? I was replying to him and his statement about Reckoning - which is NOT working properly on Kronos.

Besides, everything I posted is spot fucking on - you're too stubborn to admit that you don't know how proper Paladin mechanics worked in Vanilla.

Seal of Command should never fully resist ever - it can be blocked/dodged/parried but only Partially resisted against higher level mobs due to level resist:

Quote
Poster: Caydiem at 3/15/2005 3:16:09 PM PST
Subject: Re: Seal of Command destroyed. The Seal of Command change will no longer be in the upcoming patch.
http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-realm-test/391.htm

Quote
Poster: motive at 3/15/2005 3:36:38 PM PST
Subject: Re: Seal of Command change After considering the posts in this thread we have decided to back this change out of patch 1.3.0 completely and re-evaluate the math behind this before making any further changes.
http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-paladin/106719.htm

TLDR - You had one job Psojed - keep being bad at it.

 

[krutopatkin]

And did you ban Lharts for posting off-topic?!?!?

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? Psojed does not have the permissions needed to ban you.

 

[Blackpeixera]

Wow, we got the crap that Peenix shat, heh?

You two been hopping from server forum to server forum, looking for a home, and trolling the ones that aren't of your liking, so why the hell would we give a heroes' welcome to you?

Go back to Feenix, Theloras. I actually liked you there. But it seems you got your head up your ass after you got out of there. Go back to breaking servers with your one-handed magic damage retripaladin and accused of stalking girls in teamspeaks.

Get out of here. We already heard your message. You don't want to be here. We don't want you here. Get the hell out already.

 

[Alure]

I really don't think a level of this aggressiveness is really bringing anything constructive to the thread. You can compose your posts without sounding like a twelve year old Thel.

 

[Theloras]

Wow, we got the crap that Peenix shat, heh?

You two been hopping from server forum to server forum, looking for a home, and trolling the ones that aren't of your liking, so why the hell would we give a heroes' welcome to you?

Go back to Feenix, Theloras. I actually liked you there. But it seems you got your head up your ass after you got out of there. Go back to breaking servers with your one-handed magic damage retripaladin and accused of stalking girls in teamspeaks.

Get out of here. We already heard your message. You don't want to be here. We don't want you here. Get the hell out already.

So you want Seal of Command to not only be able to be block/dodge/parried but also 100% fully resistible?

Is that what you're telling me?

Not to mention the untold other bugs making Ret an absolute joke here - Psojed is doing all of you a great disservice with his ineptitude at Paladin ability mechanics.

Let me put it to you this way, Retribution is so bad on Kronos that even I wouldn't play it here and I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who does.

PS Stalking girls in teamspeaks - wtf are you smoking to come up with that one?!?

- - - Updated - - -

I really don't think a level of this aggressiveness is really bringing anything constructive to the thread. You can compose your posts without sounding like a twelve year old Thel.

It comes from dealing with ***** Paladin testers who don't even comprehend how the class is supposed to function in the first place...

AKA Seal of Command being able to be block/dodge/parried AND 100% fully resistible - Psojed even doubled down on that one:

3) Judgement of Command's resist chance is higher, because it follows spell hit rules. That means, in addition to the statement above for SoComm, JoComm's chance to get resisted is related to caster's spell hit. Vs. a L60 target, you have 4% chance that judgement gets resisted, vs boss it is 16% chance that judgement gets resisted. Note that this is only true with damaging judgements, JotC, JoW and JoL always land.

4) SoComm is a special magic attack that follows the rules of physical attacks and abilities. It follows melee crit and melee hit rules, so it can miss, be dodged, parried, blocked, it crits for 2x damage, but since the damage dealt is magical, it is also subject to resists.
http://forum.twinstar.cz/showthread.php ... post803165

I actually wish I was making this shit up if you can believe it...

 

[Psojed]

Seal of Command should never fully resist ever - it can be blocked/dodged/parried but only Partially resisted against higher level mobs due to level resist:

Funny that this is coming from a guy who believed that Seal of Command works like a Warrior's Overpower and used his "2005 retribution player authority" to convince others about your opinions. Since this thread has already became a charade, let's post some of your quotes from peenix forum, 2013, so that we can at least have a good laugh:
http://www.wow-one.com/forum/topic/61649-seal-of-command-fixes/?p=479234

'rodo62', on 29 Oct 2013 - 7:02 PM, said:
In fact, Seal of Command should be affected by dodge/parry/block chance, since it is considered as a melee-based attack.

you are incorrect

'rodo62', on 30 Oct 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

well according to the patch note you linked

Patch 1.3.0 (07-Mar-2005): The damage effects can now be resisted instead of dodged, blocked, or parried.

damage effects indeed means seal, because you can't dodge a judgement.

I can tell you with the authority of someone who has played Retribution since 2005, that that sentence is referring to higher level mobs similar to how a glancing blow works

again, if the white auto-attack lands and Seal of Command is triggered, then a yellow attack will also land

BTW Official Blizzard Patch Notes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Player written reports or player videos

seals are not buffs

 

[Alure]

Funny that this is coming from a guy who believed that Seal of Command works like a Warrior's Overpower and used his "2005 retribution player authority" to convince others about your opinions. Since this thread has already became a charade, let's post some of your quotes from peenix forum, 2013, so that we can at least have a good laugh:
http://www.wow-one.com/forum/topic/61649-seal-of-command-fixes/?p=479234

Well, I don't really think that was necessary.

You shouldn't really be taking a bait from a troll dude.

Just nod, note it down and get to work, don't bother replying to a person who's shown he doesn't have a maturity level higher than an eight year old screaming when he doesn't get what he wants or something doesn't go his way.

Spoiler

Here, I think this might come in handy;

 

[Psojed]

Feel free to react your way Alure, I will react as I see fit.