But hey thats what happens when there are too big egos refusing to cooperate with the other guild.
And personally if you refuse to cooperate with us then I would rather see the horde get the kill
Precisely. We attempted all night to cooperate, and now you're whining because your refusal didn't pay off. Its not just two guilds anymore.
I'm sure our guilds would be happy to discuss a compromise should you wish to contact us.
This is complete bullshit. I'm GM of Vanguard and I did not get a single proposal for any kind of cooperation. Not one. Vanguard is fine with cooperation. Vanguard likes cooperation
when both parties benefit. We've cooperated with Synced for Kazzak kills. We've cooperated with Rebirth for azuregos kills. We like cooperation. We dont like same faction greifing.
How are we blackmailing you? I fail to see how working with Onslaught is any different than working with CORAL or Freefall or Vanguard. We were at a stalemate and attempted to cooperate with your guilds to break that stalemate and secure a kill to our mutual benefit. You refused, so we instead reached an agreement with Onslaught to our guild's mutual benefit.
Just because our agreement wasn't with you does not make our agreement wrong. Hopefully in the future our guilds can cooperate to our mutual benefit, but if you continue to refuse to cooperate, then that can not happen.
It's blackmail because you're essentially saying "cooperate with us or we will give the kill to horde".
Your agreement is wrong, and should (in my opinion) lead to bans. Trading honor in bgs (over faction limits) is against the rules. Trading world boss kills over faction limits should be against the rules. Same faction griefing should be against the rules. This is disgusting behaviour from someone who is willing to do anything in their power to make sure Vanguard/Coral doesn't get the kill, despite not breaking any rules nor griefing anyone intentionally.
Like I said, I would love to cooperate
when it benefits us both. We had over 50 people, you only had around 20. Why would we give up loot when we could kill him on our own?
Of course there is, you can roll for first attempt against the boss and the other guild can help defend against Horde during the attempt. If the first guild fails, vice versa for the other guild. However, you decided to be greedy and instead attempt to wait it out, which didn't work when the other guilds came to an agreement without you.
Hopefully in the future our guilds can cooperate.
We can kill him without your help. We dont want to risk loot for no benefit. This is why we chose not to cooperate yesterday. Maybe there will be a day where a cooperation would benefit us both, not just you. Then we'd be more than happy to strike an agreement. At least we were before you sunk to griefing and wintrading. Im not sure I want to be associated with people like you anymore.
I seem to recall Coral/Vangaurd wiping @ 10% with no interference from anyone in Risen/freefall.
This is true, horde wiped us a few times at Azu. This is fine, in fact this is good. It shows there is fair competition about the bosses.
Can anyone from Coral or vanguard plz comment on why you will not/refuse to roll on world bosses?
I will accept, "we just dont like you guys" as an answer.
On the server I played on in retail, if there was a dispute over a world boss, alliance guild leaders simply rolled for the rights to the boss and helped the other guild out. But as you put it "we dont need to team up" because our raid was weakening and losing members by the hour.
Well looks like you reap what you sow. Also you act like you guys are so honorable, yet I seem to remember timecop repeatedly trying to leash azuergos from Onslaught.
Ask yourself why we would cooperate with Risen/Freefall. When azu spawned there were about 40-45 of each guild there. When Risen+Onslaught griefmade killed him there were 50+ VG/Coral and ~20 Risen/Freefall. If everyone had followed the rules we would have kept fighting until horde or us got tired, and the winner of that war of attrition would have gotten their deserved kill. Instead we saw an alliance guild kill it for a horde guild, cause they were too frustrated they couldn't kill it legitimately. This is akin to wintrading and everyone involved on alliance side should get a 7+ days ban.
Maybe for once instead of blaming everything outside yourself its time to look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why the entire fucking server hates you? (Directed to vanguard, not you asmodeus)
Vanguard is not breaking rules. Vanguard is not griefing their own faction. Vanguard just wants kills and loot. I understand that you're frustrated about not getting loot, but that is no excuse for this disgusting behaviour.
Let me finish this huge post with a story. Before Kronos launched Vanguard played on ED. On ED we were not dominant when it came to world bosses, two other guilds were. Rarely would you see anyone but them get kills, except for the occasional horde kill during US times. We were frustrated about this. We wanted healing crowns and NR gear for AQ. We tried to cooperate with them, we asked them to share their loot and let us help them kill but we were always rejected.
So what did we do? Did we taunt their bosses into them? Did we attempt to leash the boss when they were killing? Did we kill it with horde tag just to make sure they didn't get it? No. We started trying harder.
We found another guild who wanted to cooperate, and then one more. We made joint out-of-game communication channels and we leveled warlocks. We woke up in the middle of the night to desperately try toget there before it was tagged.
And in the end we did get some kills. We didn't get most of the kills, we didn't even the majority of kills. But the ones we did get felt great. We had come together, helped eachother out and tried the hardest we could to get these bosses.
Not once did we break any ruels, not once did we grief (except for one player who was kicked for that), not once did we wintrade. We tried and failed for months before succeeding, but not ever did we stoop as low as you did after failing for a few weeks.
To end I'd just like to say I dont hate ONSLAUGHT nor any of their members. I don't even hate Freefall or Risen. I do feel disgust and distaint towards Tripwyr and anyone else promoting this though. Such persons who are so open with these disgusting deals, not ashamed to do anything they can, not to get a kill, but to prevent us from getting one, has no bussiness leading a guild nor even playing a social game like Wow
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OK can we please have a guild master meeting about our intentions and plans for the future? This is not going anywhere. I demand coperation from every alliance guild!
Nothing more than ridicoulus.
Greetings
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and even if we dont come to any cooperation i'd like to clear out any insinuation no matter if they are right or wrong.
I would love for this to happen
