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Congrats Onslaught!

Barrikade said:
@Trypwyr

Thanks for posting this, honestly. I think tensions are just REALLY too high right now, and I have no idea how it happened.

Firstly, at no point were we trying to pull into you, we have our strategies in mind, and we have to pick out a place out of range of Horde rez, and a way to stop horde from getting to us from rez spots. We did have to reset it multiple times due to Horde (and level 1 Alliance) healing him, so we could pull again. We would appreciate the space while trying to have our attempt. Let's be real, Kazzak has a huge range, and the area isn't that big, and we aren't going to pull around you.

Secondly, your voice chat sounds almost exactly like ours "Why are they pulling into us?" "Don't stoop to their level". I think the exact same thing is happening, but from your side.

I would like to apologize for assuming you were the "bad guy" here, but you have to understand, we aren't either. We are literally seeing the same thing from both sides, and I think this whole shit has to stop. We are all trying for the same goal, and seem to assuming the other is "the villain".

We aren't trying to pull to you, but I can tell from your voices you aren't trying to do the same to us, as is our perception

Kazzak has a huge range on Shadow bolts, and he did ding you with a few as he passed by, but it was in the sake of our strategy and time we had to move him. Can we just not work with the Horde cross-faction? We have no problem with competition, and won't wipe you on attempts, as we have, and will continue to say to ALL of our members.

If you want to talk more, feel free to PM me in game, but I honestly think (based on the video you provided) we are both in the exact same situation, and this is playing out like a bad sitcom.
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Did you actually watch the video, or are you just back peddling because I presented indisputable evidence of your guild's griefing?

Firstly, at no point were we trying to pull into you, we have our strategies in mind, and we have to pick out a place out of range of Horde rez, and a way to stop horde from getting to us from rez spots. We did have to reset it multiple times due to horde healing him, so we could pull again. We would appreciate the space while trying to have our attempt. Let's be real, Kazzak has a huge range, and the area isn't that big, and we aren't going to pull around you.
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Again, the video shows pretty clearly how far out of your way you went to pull the boss into our group repeatedly throughout the night.

Secondly, your voice chat sounds almost exactly like ours "Why are they pulling into us?" "Don't stoop to their level". I think the exact same thing is happening, but from your side.
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We only pulled twice the entire night, once we after you had wiped, and once after you had left the zone. You can hardly say your voice chat was the same as ours.
 
Ok, I'm out. Thought you could try and talk this through like a reasonable adult, but it is clear you can't erase the nerd rage from your mind. You only see what you are wanting to see. Done with the thread. Spread whatever the hell you want, I just don't care anymore.
 
Peasemold said:
Does CORAL not remember when they wanted to organise kill trading with us early in the server? :s
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Yeah back when it was just our two guilds. But we were purposing that you do your attempt, we do our attempt, etc.

This current situation involves your raid tagging and fighting the boss, and having an alliance raid damage that boss as well in an attempt to kill it for the opposite faction. We never did that with you guys because it was only our two guilds.
 
Barrikade said:
Ok, I'm out. Thought you could try and talk this through like a reasonable adult, but it is clear you can't erase the nerd rage from your mind. Done with the thread. Spread whatever the hell you want, I just don't care anymore.
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Does this mean you dont want to /roll for bosses next time? :lol:
 
Barrikade said:
Ok, I'm out. Thought you could try and talk this through like a reasonable adult, but it is clear you can't erase the nerd rage from your mind. You only see what you are wanting to see. Done with the thread. Spread whatever the hell you want, I just don't care anymore.
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Well for what its worth I respect you for trying. I genuinely believe you actually want a solution to the problem.
 
Asmodeus said:
Yeah back when it was just our two guilds. But we were purposing that you do your attempt, we do our attempt, etc.

This current situation involves your raid tagging and fighting the boss, and having an alliance raid damage that boss as well in an attempt to kill it for the opposite faction. We never did that with you guys because it was only our two guilds.
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Precisely. We attempted all night to cooperate, and now you're whining because your refusal didn't pay off. Its not just two guilds anymore.

I'm sure our guilds would be happy to discuss a compromise should you wish to contact us.
 
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I wish we made a thread professing to being innocent paragons of virtue when our own faction was griefing us back when we had Azuregos for three spawns.

Instead we just got on with it.
 
Peasemold said:
I wish we made a thread professing to being innocent paragons of virtue when our own faction was griefing us back when we had Azuregos for three spawns.

Instead we just got on with it.
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To be fair, they just hijacked my congratulations thread :(
 
You guys... so much bullshit in one thread...

When we were running away from Kaz it was only to leash the boss and getting out of combat because Kaz got healed too much.
You call this griefing? Bitch please...

We have an alliance with CORAL and we can kill Azu by ourselfs. Thats why we dont need anyone else to help us.
This time however, not only you had 70+ hordes in the area, pvping when we were fighting. You were also cooperating with alliance guilds to even have a chance to kill Azu. Wow, much gz. So good :smile:

It is ok, have fun on next world bosses when the time is right for us.

And Risen / Freefall ... wth..

Haters gonna hate.

And btw, it took only ONE alliance player to wipe one of your attemps to "kill" Azu. I did not even tryhard. Kek. :tongue:
 
ONSLAUGHT would like to thank everyone who participated in today's Azuregos fuckfest. It proves that KRONOS is not a dead server, even after another major horde guild has folded and left the server today.

Our most humble thank yous for a congrats thread filled with juicy drama.

We have been at almost every single Azuregos kill in some fashion since our inception in May, especially anything close to NA times. And while it's been awhile since we were lucky enough to get a kill (I think our last kill was in October when we killed 3 Azuregos' spawns in a row), we felt a little anxious to get another one under our belt. We look forward to assisting players in <Friends>, other horde guilds, and repaying the deeds to any Alliance one way or the other when the emerald dragons decide to come out.

Any of you that actually know me on Horde side know that I am always ready to die in a glorious defeat or a blood-filled victory. We were fully prepared to completely call off our second weekly Molten Core in favor of wading in a night of glory and battle.

See you next week.
 
oppahansi said:
You guys... so much bullshit in one thread...

When we were running away from Kaz it was only to leash the boss and getting out of combat because Kaz got healed too much.
You call this griefing? Bitch please...

We have an alliance with CORAL and we can kill Azu by ourselfs. Thats why we dont need anyone else to help us.
This time however, not only you had 70+ hordes in the area, pvping when we were fighting. You were also cooperating with alliance guilds to even have a chance to kill Azu. Wow, much gz. So good :smile:

It is ok, have fun on next world bosses when the time is right for us.

And Risen / Freefall ... wth..

Haters gonna hate.

And btw, it took only ONE alliance player to wipe one of your attemps to "kill" Azu. I did not even tryhard. Kek. :tongue:
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Did you actually watch the video evidence we posted? It is pretty clear to everybody here that you intentionally both pulled the boss next to our raids, and ran directly to our raids to leash the boss on several occasions.

Are you also saying you intentionally wiped our raid on Kazzak? So while Risen was entirely peaceful through the entire night of attempts, you intentionally wiped us on our only attempt? I really appreciate you revealing this information, I was obviously too distracted by the Horde mage attacking us to realize that you had fed the boss a heal.

This is just looking worse and worse for Vanguard and CORAL.
 
BerniSunders said:
Does this mean you dont want to /roll for bosses next time? :lol:
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We will never cooperate with same-faction griefers and win traders.

My own screenshots:
http://i.imgur.com/jYpkOuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LbMLi1D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qdeHZIC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/COGDiEL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/upQI7El.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/byAqq0l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tqWr0vi.jpg

More evidence from your own stream:
http://i.imgur.com/7NQjkGY.jpg (a person from your voice chat says Brucewayn has been there the whole time and is dead next to Kazzak)


I love how every time we engage the boss or run away from him when Supreme Mode timer is under one minute you guys yell "they are pulling him onto us!!!" Reminds anyone of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6kKhlX8vU? If you are not fighting the world boss and don't intend to pull, then get out of the area so you don't get hit by shadow bolts while we are fighting.
 
Tripwyr said:
Precisely. We attempted all night to cooperate, and now you're whining because your refusal didn't pay off. Its not just two guilds anymore.

I'm sure our guilds would be happy to discuss a compromise should you wish to contact us.
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Essentially you're purposing blackmail, "work with us or we will secure kills for the horde". How is that right?

We didn't get to the point that we felt we would be unable to kill the boss, why group? If you were at that point, that's your issue. We were not sitting in mumble saying "fuck those guys, we will never group". We barely even mentioned you other than discussing where your raid was parked or if you guys pulled.

Had Onslaught or you guys legitimately downed the boss, I likely would have congratulated you. I congratulated the spriest from your guild that got the shadow pants from Kazzak the other day and had a nice convo with him. We don't mind losing a boss legitimately to the horde or alliance, you literally cannot win them all and sometimes you just get outplayed, it's the nature of the game. But you can imagine how much it kills morale and turns the community into shit when a raid team on the same faction helps the opposite faction win the tug of war then gloats about "stopping coral" afterwards.

I feel like the lack of honest communication, "he said, she said", and guild pride are the cause of this toxicity. I hope in the future we can resolve some of these issues and (I'm sure I will be mocked for saying this), conduct ourselves as gentlemen when it comes to world bosses.
 
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Tripwyr said:
While your lies are cute, the entire night was streamed and is available to view right over here: http://www.twitch.tv/bezawitt/v/35180969.
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2 minutes into this VoD you can see a Risen member (Brucewayne) purposely dying to Kazzak during a vg/coral attempt. Its obvious from your voice chat that it wasn't encouraged, but from our point of view it certainly seemed like griefing. Its a prime example of how these misunderstandings occur, and this thread is just an example of how such misunderstandings perpetuate themselves.

You've convinced yourself that getting hit by a couple shadowbolt volleys while we tried to leash the boss was some great attempt to sabotage you guys, but that shit just happens man. No one is thinking about where your raid is in the middle of a boss fight, and certainly not when it comes time to run away. When you guys got clean attempts on the boss we did nothing, we didn't try to heal kazzak, pull mobs or whatever, not even when you got him down to 2% and we just sat there watching. If it was a goal to grief you guys, it probably would've happened when you guys were actually attempting to kill the boss...
 
Asmodeus, why do you even try to explain our reasons for not wanting to cooperate? Based on their history of griefing and lowlife win trading with horde, we would NEVER EVER accept cooperating with Risen until end of time. That's all there is to say and all they need to know.
 
bl4ckc0d3r said:
We will never cooperate with same-faction griefers and win traders.

My own screenshots:
http://i.imgur.com/jYpkOuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LbMLi1D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qdeHZIC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/COGDiEL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/upQI7El.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/byAqq0l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tqWr0vi.jpg

More evidence from your own stream:
http://i.imgur.com/7NQjkGY.jpg (a person from your voice chat says Brucewayn has been there the whole time and is dead next to Kazzak)


I love how every time we engage the boss or run away from him when Supreme Mode timer is under one minute you guys yell "they are pulling him onto us!!!" Reminds anyone of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6kKhlX8vU? If you are not fighting the world boss and don't intend to pull, then get out of the area so you don't get hit by shadow bolts while we are fighting.
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I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but when "Kazzak Mode" is enabled in BigWigs, all deaths are attributed to healing Kazzak, even if they do not heal him. Additionally, PvP kills within Kazzak's arena are often misattributed as Kazzak heals.

You can watch our video covering the entire night to clearly seen that none of our players ever die underneath Kazzak during your attempts, except the one incident with BruceWayne. You can clearly hear in our voice chat that it was not intentional, I even got very angry with him while the rest of the raid urges me to relax.

Stop grasping at straws, start being respectful. That is all there is to it.
 
Maybe they accidentally died because they just want to see what you were doing? I've heard this can happen.
 
bl4ckc0d3r said:
Asmodeus, why do you even try to explain our reasons for not wanting to cooperate? Based on their history of griefing and lowlife win trading with horde, we would NEVER EVER accept cooperating with Risen until end of time. That's all there is to say and all they need to know.
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There is a real simple solution to this, just roll for the kill rights. I dont know why this seems so complex to you guys, people have been doing it since retail. Dont wanna do it? Thats fine, but dont be upset when we help onslaught secure the kill then.

You pulled the boss and there was 0 griefing from Freefall and risen and YOU STILL WIPERINO"d
 
BerniSunders said:
I seem to recall Coral/Vangaurd wiping @ 10% with no interference from anyone in Risen/freefall. On the server I played on in retail, if there was a dispute over a world boss, alliance guild leaders simply rolled for the rights to the boss and helped the other guild out. But as you put it "we dont need to team up" because our raid was weakening and losing members by the hour.

Well looks like you reap what you sow. Also you act like you guys are so honorable, yet I seem to remember timecop repeatedly trying to leash azuergos from Onslaught.
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This good sir was an attempt from myself during the chaos downtime to try to find a spot to kill Azzy where we wouldn't have to engage boss with horde knowing our whereabouts (something intelligent people could call a boss kill tactic). This did not affect either faction and I was also testing his leash distance. Congrats on boss kill and the trolls in this tread are simply adorable. No OnE cAn StOp TiMeCoP!!
 
Asmodeus said:
Essentially you're purposing blackmail, "work with us or we will secure kills for the horde". How is that right?
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How are we blackmailing you? I fail to see how working with Onslaught is any different than working with CORAL or Freefall or Vanguard. We were at a stalemate and attempted to cooperate with your guilds to break that stalemate and secure a kill to our mutual benefit. You refused, so we instead reached an agreement with Onslaught to our guild's mutual benefit.

Just because our agreement wasn't with you does not make our agreement wrong. Hopefully in the future our guilds can cooperate to our mutual benefit, but if you continue to refuse to cooperate, then that can not happen.
 
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