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How does the character auction actually affect anyone? Apart from the ideological beliefs..
Murder was only an example. "There will always be thieves, therefore we should legalise stealing" would also work as an example and is revertable.Murder is different, you can never take it back. You can take back a purchase.
The real world isn't fair, you can be born into a rich family or can be born into a poor one and there's nothing you can do about it. Wether your life will suck or be awesome is to a big extent not decided by you.Well if you don't work for the money, good for you. But most people do, they use their time to make money or use their time to level up (disregarding other activities). Either way works and you are given a choice - which do you prefer is up to your own, but your choice does not give you an advantage.
The characters will never give you an advantage. You cannot be a lvl 60 faster than anyone else, because there are no level 60s to buy. After 6 months there might be some, great, but after 6 months, there will be lots of level 60 players. It will only allow you to catch up, but it won't allow you to be better or faster. In my book, not pay to win.
In Twinstar's case, you cannot see any of the items, spells or quests the character did or used. Basically you are buying a level and class, and everything else can be random.
"Buying" usually means that you gain something in return for money. When you sell your own, you are giving away your whole character for another, that would be an exchange. But again, it only shows level and class of the character, such exchange is not possible, because you don't see items on the character. You could end up buying a naked character with 0 game money and no proffs.
Wrong, you are not buying more powerful character. There will always be someone more powerful than you, who gained this power through simply playing the game.
May i ask you people, especially Hagson, what do you think "pay to win" means?
It means paying to be !BETTER! than any other non-paying player.
Auction merely provides characters worse or same as anybody else can obtain through hard work.
So please, stop crying or debating, it really wont be that of a problem, im sure.
yes they areWould not be able to, for example, recognise the name of a raider or big pvper and be able to buy his BiS PvE or r14 geared character? Or are names wiped as well?
yes they are
yes they areWould not be able to, for example, recognise the name of a raider or big pvper and be able to buy his BiS PvE or r14 geared character? Or are names wiped as well?
Just checked it and you are right, did they change that? Because I recall buying a shaman on Ares and being disappointed with his resto/ele gear(his enh gear was decent though)wtf?
The names are not wiped, you can see the name of the character normally. After a successfull auction, you get a free rename though.
And the only reason you don't actually see the character's equipment is that Kronos doesn't have an armory web yet.
But I repeat my question to the naysayers, how does the auction affect my gameplay, or my enjoyment of the game? I will log in everyday, farm a bit, maybe raid with my guild or do some battlegrounds and then I will log off. Where exactly does character 34165's owner change spoil my fun/day?
Pay to win means spending out-of-game currency to obtain an advantage over people not spending out-of-game currency. This advantage could be a better sword, an xp-boost, or more options.
wtf?
The names are not wiped, you can see the name of the character normally. After a successfull auction, you get a free rename though.
And the only reason you don't actually see the character's equipment is that Kronos doesn't have an armory web yet.
But I repeat my question to the naysayers, how does the auction affect my gameplay, or my enjoyment of the game? I will log in everyday, farm a bit, maybe raid with my guild or do some battlegrounds and then I will log off. Where exactly does character 34165's owner change spoil my fun/day?
With Char AH, that Cool war with Sulfuras invested a lot of time to obtain it and when he sells his character then.. well, he will still rape you, just his owner will switch
CJB said:And this feature is not pay to win? Lets see here:
Pay to win = buying armor for your character (like it's soon to be on the Feenix - Emarald Dream Server, for example).
Character auction = buying a character/his mounts/his armor/his weapons/his reputation/his keys/his bags and I assume you probably get his pvp rank as well?
I don't know about you all, but Character auction seems even worse than the conventional pay to win, in many, many, ways. I agree though, it also has slight advantages over conventional pay to win systems...but not many.
Also, to touch up on the whole, "Well it doesn't come out of thin air?!?111!" logic-based people....IT DOES COME OUT OF THIN AIR FOR THE INDIVIDUAL BUYING THE CHARACTER AND ALL THE CHARACTERS SHIT, RIGHT?!
Lastly, I just want to say, especially to *Chero*, that I and the others who oppose this character auction(as well as other functions we speak out against) do so to help not only you, Chero, but the community. Please do not take our passionate suggestions and opinions, as a form of disrespect. We aim only to make what the K1 and K2 projects were not.
Character auction seems even worse than the conventional pay to win, in many, many, ways.
Edit: Added original post of CJB:
Seems like you do not understand the whole concept.
If you would gain any power by buying an character from another player, the other one will lose it, won't he?
How is that unfair if a different player plays the same character? If you would get a free character from your friend that just stopped playing, is that pay to win? Should it be banned?
In order to sell your character you need to have access to your email address linked with the game account.
By the character auction nothing will change ingame. Only the controlling players change.
What?
... All "possible" abuses of the character auction mentioned here can be done without using the character auction ever. Can anyone name any "abuse" that cannot be done without using the auction house? I doubt.
All "possible" abuses of the character auction mentioned here can be done without using the character auction ever. Can anyone name any "abuse" that cannot be done without using the auction house? I doubt.
This auction of characters will encourage botting to make level 60s as fast as possible.
Correct.Advertising your characters in ingame chat is forbidden btwAdvertising your characters in ingame chat is forbidden btw
Correct.wtf?
The names are not wiped, you can see the name of the character normally. After a successfull auction, you get a free rename though.
And the only reason you don't actually see the character's equipment is that Kronos doesn't have an armory web yet.
You could always see character names as far as I remember. And you could never see items until armory was made.Just checked it and you are right, did they change that?
Better stop the examples, they keep going the wrong way...Murder was only an example. "There will always be thieves, therefore we should legalise stealing" would also work as an example and is revertable.
I agree. I also don't like pay 2 win games where you can gain advantages just by purchasing stuff, or where you are even required to do it to progress further in the game.The real world isn't fair, you can be born into a rich family or can be born into a poor one and there's nothing you can do about it. Wether your life will suck or be awesome is to a big extent not decided by you.
The same could be argued about wow (some people have more time than others) but to a much lesser extend, people are equals here in a bigger way. Being able to buy an advantage in the game using means from out of the game disrupts this balance and equality, and brings some of the unfairness from the real world into a place where it's not needed. And this is why people generally frown on pay to win.
Oh please do that. Sadly, the characters in the auction do not appear out of thin air, so I'm quite curious when will the first level 60 ever to be sold appear in the CAH.Of course they will give me an advantage. I could buy 10 level 60s,
You cannot camp herb spawn points, because they are pooled and keep changing locations...teach them herbalism and then camp every black lotus spot in the Eastern Kingdoms earning huge amounts of gold for very little effort
I'm sure that if you are the only "one man tailor guild" on the server, you will control the market. But you won't be the only tailor.I could teach them tailoring and control the mooncloth market. And that's just the gold part of the advantage you get.
But yet again, you are not buying more options.Having more options is an advantage, buying more options is a form of pay to win.
Another thing is the auction itself. Yes, it works like a regular ingame auction house. Remember those overpriced epics on Failnix?All right, so we are unable to buy gear. Great.
Would not be able to, for example, recognise the name of a raider or big pvper and be able to buy his BiS PvE or r14 geared character? Or are names wiped as well?
Umm, yes that's kinda the thing of buying something, isn't it?Even if names are not shown you still get another level 60 which is an advantage in itself.
Correct. In my eyes, that is not an advantage. This is your choice to get to the level cap - one person uses money, another person uses time. Buyer or non-buyer are still the same, both are limited by level 60 cap, by the items they can get, proffs they can use, and so on.You are buying a more powerful character than the one you had before (potentially no character or a low leveled one).
Okay, let's try it.Pay to win means spending out-of-game currency to obtain an advantage over people not spending out-of-game currency. This advantage could be a better sword, an xp-boost, or more options.
Here is handy chart:
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Hint: replace 'guns' with 'classes' or 'professions'
Accounts changing owners is a bad thing. Selling accounts and transering ownership of an account should be disallowed. This will always happen but should be battled, for example by banning sellers and buyers of accounts, thereby making it a lot harder and more riskfilled.
What you are doing is openly encouraging it.
And that is an enormous difference. It's the difference between saying "this is a problem lets deal with it" and "we wont be able to solve this problem to 100%, so let's make some money off it instead".
Correct.
9. I want to sell my character. Can I advertise in-game or on the forum?
It is forbidden on the forum, but permitted via an in-game channel called /aukcepostav. Advertising anywhere else is considered a violation of the server rules and punished(1 week ban) without any previous warning.